Ian Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 You lived there as a child. Children don't sit around thinking of the consequences of these things. strongly disagree -- earthquakes and my fear of them got me interested in science to begin with -- but believe what you must. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurricaneJosh Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Lol...I live 8 miles from a nuclear power plant with a fault line running under it. It doesn't make my opinion any more or less important than anyone elses....so can we take the other crap to AP and talk about the situation at hand? And that fault has a history of producing violent quakes, doesn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurricaneJosh Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 strongly disagree -- earthquakes and my fear of them got me interested in science to begin with -- but believe what you must. And as a child you were concerned about the potential consequences of nuclear-energy accidents caused by quakes? A precocious child you must have been! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 One hail mary pass is a miracle. They've got 5 reactors with problems down there. The odds don't look too good. Conflicting reports mention that #1 had a partial meltdown alla TMI. Again, the problem with this is we're not talking about 1 reactor at 1 site. We're talking about 5 reactors in 2 different sites where the plants have been heavily damaged by a biblically historic earthquake and tsunami... this is like fighting a Dark Sith Lord blindfolded with your hands tied behind your back with a concussion. the reactors at the the 2nd site are all fine now..downgraded to sub critical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k*** Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 That'd be the pro-nuclear versus anti-nuclear politics. it's a thread about a reactor accident...i don't see why it isn't germane...especially since it started with josh questioning the wisdom of this particular reactor's siting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott747 Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 what politics are involved? The pros vs. cons of nuclear technology. The back and forth grew lame quickly and is better served in a PR thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k*** Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 The pros vs. cons of nuclear technology. The back and forth grew lame quickly and is better served in a PR thread. it'd be an infinitely worse discussion if it were occurring in PR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 The pros vs. cons of nuclear technology. The back and forth grew lame quickly and is better served in a PR thread. Bingo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 from another forum.... English translation of a Japanese station that reactor 1 (the one that "melted down" and the outer building exploded.)....is totally under salt water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 it'd be an infinitely worse discussion if it were occurring in PR It might make PR a bit better though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtRosen Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Between the Japanese government's desire not to spread panic (and probably save some face) and every expert commenting on the situation seemingly being fueled by some political agenda it's really hard to figure out what the hell is happening. Hopefully this place remains somewhere we can try to do that.... Also, the verbage of that breaking news report on CNN was exactly the same as the one that prompted the start of this thread. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they just saw that interview and thought it was more recent. CNN's coverage of the whole event has been pretty much awful aside from allowing me to watch video in HD, I've gone to just using the BBC for updates. Wish the 24 hour news channels actually did their job and cover this historic event instead of showing us what life inside of a maximum security prison is like or some police sting on TV to catch pedophiles. I was barely even old enough to say goo goo gah gah when TMI happened... so I'd appreciate more detailed coverage of this historic event. The next few days could impact billions of human beings as we as a people decide whether or not nuclear power is a safe alternative to coal and oil power plants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Things are not going well, back of my facility manager mind thinks things are out of control now, desperate measures are backfiring it seems. Lots of opinions here about impact to populations if it does melt down, where is poster Syracuse Max when you need him. Not good fellas not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxEngine Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 And that fault has a history of producing violent quakes, doesn't it? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurricaneJosh Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 how many nuke plants have failed in 6.5-6.9 quakes though? who even codes to a mega quake in this range anyway? they are a once in multi-generation events.. and most know that if a 9 happens in SoCal you're all really fooked regardless of nuclear plants. A 9.0 would cause the same level of shaking that we had in Northridge-- it would just last longer and cover a wider area. (The reason: in our region, only the San Andreas can produce something that big, and it wouldn't be centered any closer than 25 mi from Downtown, as that's as close as the San Andreas passes near the city.) It would be bad but we'd get through it. A bigger risk for us are the faults right under the city that can produce events well over 7.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott747 Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 This should be for the #3 reactor.... No idea if it means that they have decided to apply saltwater like the #1 reactor. Japan's Edano says water supply and pressure release being used to try to control Fukushima nuclear reactor. Edano also adds that radiation leakage from nuclear reactor unlikely to affect people's health Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 And as a child you were concerned about the potential consequences of nuclear-energy accidents caused by quakes? A precocious child you must have been! im not sure i was concerned about that specifically but i have enough knowledge of both quakes and nuclear energy to make an informed decision even though i dont live in hollywood currently.. and yes on the second, thanks for inquiring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxEngine Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 it'd be an infinitely worse discussion if it were occurring in PR How bad the convo would be in PR has no bearing on whether the politics should be discussed here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurricaneJosh Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 im not sure i was concerned about that specifically but i have enough knowledge of both quakes and nuclear energy to make an informed decision even though i dont live in hollywood currently.. and yes on the second, thanks for inquiring. Again, it's just really easy to dispassionately say that, since it's not a decision you need to make. How bad the convo would be in PR has no bearing on whether the politics should be discussed here. What politics are being discussed? Did someone mention politics? We're discussing whether nuclear reactors are safe in seismically active regions-- in a thread about nuclear reactors in a seismically active region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 This PR says something happned to number one just after the quake..first i have heard about that..I though all this trouble was lack of cooling only Unit 1(Shut down) - Reactor has been shut down. However, the unit is under inspection due to the explosive sound and white smoke that was confirmed after the big quake occurred at 3:36PM. - We have been injecting sea water and boric acid which absorbs neutron into the reactor core. Unit 2(Shut down) - Reactor and Reactor Core Isolation Cooling System have been shut down. Current reactor water level is lower than normal level, but the water level is steady. After fully securing safety, we are preparing to implement a measure to reduce the pressure of the reactor containment vessels under the instruction of the national government. Unit 3(Shut down) - Reactor has been shut down and we continue injecting water by High Pressure Core Injection System. After fully securing safety, we are preparing to implement a measure to reduce the pressure of the reactor containment vessels under the instruction of the national government. - Currently, we do not believe there is any reactor coolant leakage inside the reactor containment vessel. http://www.tepco.co....11031301-e.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Again, it's just really easy to dispassionately say that, since it's not a decision you need to make. What politics are being discussed? Did someone mention politics? We're discussing whether nuclear reactors are safe in seismically active regions-- in a thread about nuclear reactors in a seismically active region. Start a separate thread please, would be good but I think most would like to see discussion about the possible nuclear accident underway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach McGuirk Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Wish the 24 hour news channels actually did their job and cover this historic event instead of showing us what life inside of a maximum security prison is like or some police sting on TV to catch pedophiles. I was barely even old enough to say goo goo gah gah when TMI happened... so I'd appreciate more detailed coverage of this historic event. The next few days could impact billions of human beings as we as a people decide whether or not nuclear power is a safe alternative to coal and oil power plants. Don't watch MSNBC. Damn hippies don't know how to run a news channel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxEngine Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Again, it's just really easy to dispassionately say that, since it's not a decision you need to make. What politics are being discussed? Did someone mention politics? We're discussing whether nuclear reactors are safe in seismically active regions-- in a thread about nuclear reactors in a seismically active region. If this thread was about a hurricane and we discussed how safe it is to build near hurricane prone areas, would you still be this open to the discussion? I'm still unsure as to why your opinion on nuclear energy holds more weight than someone elses because you live an an active area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k*** Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 just because it's a controversy with two sides doesn't make it "politics" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Again, it's just really easy to dispassionately say that, since it's not a decision you need to make. cool.. i done. circular discussions are only fun for so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott747 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 This PR says something happned to number one just after the quake..first i have heard about that..I though all this trouble was lack of cooling only Unit 1(Shut down) - Reactor has been shut down. However, the unit is under inspection due to the explosive sound and white smoke that was confirmed after the big quake occurred at 3:36PM. - We have been injecting sea water and boric acid which absorbs neutron into the reactor core. The explosion yesterday was initially attributed to an aftershock. Some of the reports from TEPCO are dated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtRosen Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 http://www.mediawatch.co.nz/news/world/70430/release-of-radiation-from-second-reactor-planned Preparations have begun to release radioactive steam from a second reactor at a quake-damaged nuclear power facility in Japan, the Tokyo Electric Power Company said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurricaneJosh Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 If this thread was about a hurricane and we discussed how safe it is to build near hurricane prone areas, would you still be this open to the discussion? I'm still unsure as to why your opinion on nuclear energy holds more weight than someone elses because you live an an active area. Why are you continuing to drag this thread off topic? I thought you were against that, and yet you perpetuate the problem. Seems hypocritical. To be polite to everyone, I won't respond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxEngine Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Why are you continuing to drag this thread off topic? I thought you were against that, and yet you perpetuate the problem. Seems hypocritical. To be polite to everyone, I won't respond. Cool. Back to the real discussion about THIS nuclear disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtRosen Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 it'd be an infinitely worse discussion if it were occurring in PR Only one way to find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Only one way to find out. http://www.americanw...-keep-using-it/ Thank god. FYI, NHK says that there was indeed a partial meltdown in reactor #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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