k*** Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Wow-- the power of it is just amazing. I don't think any of us have seen such graphic, up-close-and-personal footage of a tsunami's effects until this event. really? i think the footage from japan pales in comparison to some of the videos from the boxing day tsunami. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jburns Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 2) The moon position stuff is an absolute lie. Was a full moon in the 2004 quake, was first quarter moon for this one. I don't claim the guy is right but this statement of yours is funny. Not sure what the moons phase has to do with its position relative to the earth. You do realize that when there is a new moon it is still up there don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurricaneJosh Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 really? i think the footage from japan pales in comparison to some of the videos from the boxing day tsunami. Maybe I missed some of the most-graphic stuff from that, but all I remember are a few waves crashing up onto some resort beaches. I don't recall ever seeing a tsunami actually destroy a city, like we're seeing in some of these videos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosierwx Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 1) An infinite number of monkeys typing on an infinite number of typwriters will eventually type the works of Shakespeare. There are an infinite number of kooks on the Internet making crappy vague earthquake predictions; for any major quake, one of them will have been "right." 2) The moon position stuff is an absolute lie. Was a full moon in the 2004 quake, was first quarter moon for this one. Would the phase have anything to do with it? The mass of the moon doesn't change if it is full or quarter. I think he was more talking about orbital position. I agree it is a kook site and more than likely was extreme luck, but he did nail it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scuddz Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 LOL at Phillip Labonte on CNN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derecho! Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 I don't claim the guy is right but this statement of yours is funny. Not sure what the moons phase has to do with its position relative to the earth. You do realize that when there is a new moon it is still up there don't you? The usual kook claims about moon phases and earthquakes emphasize moon phase, particularly the full moon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derecho! Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Would the phase have anything to do with it? The mass of the moon doesn't change if it is full or quarter. I think he was more talking about orbital position. I agree it is a kook site and more than likely was extreme luck, but he did nail it. ALL earthquake predictions without: 1) A specific time range 2) A specific geographical extent 3) A specific magnitude range 4) A calculation of how likely the predicted earthquake will occur randomly Are worthless and are to be ignored. Said "prediction" lacked 2) to 4) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hm8 Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 really? i think the footage from japan pales in comparison to some of the videos from the boxing day tsunami. Yeah... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jburns Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 The usual kook claims about moon phases and earthquakes emphasize moon phase, particularly the full moon. Sounded like you bought into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott747 Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Maybe I missed some of the most-graphic stuff from that, but all I remember are a few waves crashing up onto some resort beaches. I don't recall ever seeing a tsunami actually destroy a city, like we're seeing in some of these videos. There is some ground level Banda Aceh that is better than anything I've seen so far from this event. This just has some breathtaking aerial footage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 really? i think the footage from japan pales in comparison to some of the videos from the boxing day tsunami. It's different I think. Some of the "on the beach" videos from Sumatra, etc. were terrifying to be sure. Some of the ones from Japan have been their own shop of horrors maybe due to the different terrain and somewhat more populated(?) areas they were hitting. Plus the numerous overhead views from helicopters and the higher number of videos (more cameras/cell phones) How much warning did people get in 2004? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k*** Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Maybe I missed some of the most-graphic stuff from that, but all I remember are a few waves crashing up onto some resort beaches. I don't recall ever seeing a tsunami actually destroy a city, like we're seeing in some of these videos. The resort footage is really powerful, but i was referring to this sequence from banda aceh: (starts at about 1 min mark)not the broad helicopter footage of fields being flooded, but the human element of it is what takes it over the top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k*** Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 It's different I think. Some of the "on the beach" videos from Sumatra, etc. were terrifying to be sure. Some of the ones from Japan have been their own shop of horrors maybe due to the different terrain and somewhat more populated(?) areas they were hitting. Plus the numerous overhead views from helicopters and the higher number of videos (more cameras/cell phones) How much warning did people get in 2004? Yeah, they really are different in their nature, making things hard to compare. The better Japan videos are wide-angle type stuff, and the best 2004 videos are all narrowly focused. Boxing day was clearly the more violent tsunami, but this one hit a youtube'd civilization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosierwx Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 ALL earthquake predictions without: 1) A specific time range 2) A specific geographical extent 3) A specific magnitude range 4) A calculation of how likely the predicted earthquake will occur randomly Are worthless and are to be ignored. Said "prediction" lacked 2) to 4) Really? If someone could say somewhere on earth, there was going to be a mega-quake on a certain date, and you lived in a tsunami prone area, that would not be information you could use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lookout Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Interesting. The planets are all in a constant, dynamic state of interaction influencing each other through gravitational fields and electromagnetic energy. Astrology was once the science of observing and recording the celestial cycles to try to understand and predict their effects on the natural world. It's interesting only if you find stupidity interesting. It amazes me that in this day and age where we have huge amounts of scientific data to prove these crazy fantasies are just that..fantasies, that so many people still buy into it. People are extremely gullible that's for sure. For anyone who doesn't want to play in the land of fantasy and stick with this thing we call reality, here is a decent article debunking this nonsense. http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/03/11/no-the-supermoon-didnt-cause-the-japanese-earthquake/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurricaneJosh Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Yeah... The resort footage is really powerful, but i was referring to this sequence from banda aceh: (starts at about 1 min mark) not the broad helicopter footage of fields being flooded, but the human element of it is what takes it over the top Both are really interesting-- thanks for posting them. Like HubbDave said, the Indonesian stuff is different-- and very powerful in its own way. But there's something about these videos from Sendai-- they really capture the tremendous scope of the destruction, while also revealing the ground-perspective details. And I think as a Westerner, I find the Japanese footage more awe-inspiring because these are not resorts and Third-World huts getting wiped out-- these are fairly modern, industrial cities, like the kind we're used to-- so the power somehow seems more apparent in these Japanese videos (at least to me). P.S. The musical element in both videos was exceedingly annoying and I found myself muting the sound. These events are plenty dramatic without adding an ultra-cheesy soundtrack. It almost trivializes the occurrence-- cheapens it somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hm8 Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 P.S. The musical element in both videos was exceedingly annoying and I found myself muting the sound. These events are plenty dramatic without adding an ultra-cheesy soundtrack. It almost trivializes the occurrence-- cheapens it somehow. Agreed. There was another video with a Linkin Park song in it, but that was just to awful to post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Two things will make me remember this tsunami much more than 2004: 1) I watched a live aerial shot on CNN as it was happening. I don't think that happened at all in 2004. 2) As Josh mentioned, this isn't some third world, semi-industrialized country we hardly ever hear about. This is Japan, which is arguably more modernized and industrialized than the United States. If Japan can still be devastated like this... what hope do we have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k*** Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Maybe I am in the minority, but 2004 was much more memorable and impressive to me. I'm not trying to minimize what happened to Japan, but this was weak stuff compared to Boxing day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baroclinic_instability Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Two things will make me remember this tsunami much more than 2004: 1) I watched a live aerial shot on CNN as it was happening. I don't think that happened at all in 2004. 2) As Josh mentioned, this isn't some third world, semi-industrialized country we hardly ever hear about. This is Japan, which is arguably more modernized and industrialized than the United States. If Japan can still be devastated like this... what hope do we have? What hope do we have? I tend to think the opposite--we are all just passers-by on this earth. Nobody is guaranteed anything--and this society that humans have developed over the last 10,000 years is extremely fragile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plokoon111 Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Yeah but this Tsunami took houses off of foundations, carrying debris full of fire, nuclear meltdown possibility, oil refinery on fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 What hope do we have? I tend to think the opposite--we are all just passers-by on this earth. Nobody is guaranteed anything--and this society that humans have developed over the last 10,000 years is extremely fragile. I don't know, sometimes ignorance is bliss. This tsunami wiped out a lot of that ignorance, more so than the 2004 one, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Yeah but this Tsunami took houses off of foundations, carrying debris full of fire, nuclear meltdown possibility, oil refinery on fire. I suspect the tsunami had a lot to do with that one city which was burning out of control the other night, by filling the streets with easily burnable debris... but the oil refinery had little to do with the tsunami, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaner587 Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Maybe I am in the minority, but 2004 was much more memorable and impressive to me. I'm not trying to minimize what happened to Japan, but this was weak stuff compared to Boxing day. I dont even think you can compare the 2. there was something like 220,000 people who perished during that tsunami. Nothing even close to those numbers will occur with this. But it is a completely difference beast due to how populated and developed an area like Japan is as well as the fact (as many others have stated) that we were able to watch live as the tsunami went from out in the ocean a couple hundred meters to the shore and then inland. Nothing like that was ever recorded live before. There is definitely something to be said about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurricaneJosh Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 I dont even think you can compare the 2. there was something like 220,000 people who perished during that tsunami. Nothing even close to those numbers will occur with this. But it is a completely difference beast due to how populated and developed an area like Japan is as well as the fact (as many others have stated) that we were able to watch live as the tsunami went from out in the ocean a couple hundred meters to the shore and then inland. Nothing like that was ever recorded live before. There is definitely something to be said about that. Well, it depends how you compare them. I was not comparing loss of life. I was comparing which looks more awesome and destructive to me-- and to me, it's these Japanese tsunamis. It's totally subjective-- no right or wrong answers here. Re: which killed more people, that is not subjective, and of course the 2004 event will still hold the crown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k*** Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 It "looks" more awesome and destructive...because you've gotten 100x the amount of "looks." Most of those videos from Japan look similar to what happened in places like Sri Lanka...which was 1000's of miles away from the epicenter in 2004. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurricaneJosh Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 It "looks" more awesome and destructive...because you've gotten 100x the amount of "looks." Most of those videos from Japan look similar to what happened in places like Sri Lanka...which was 1000's of miles away from the epicenter in 2004. And thus my original comment, which was assessing the dramatic nature of the footage-- not the objective magnitude of this tsunami event. I have no metrics for comparing the two events as tsunamis (height, aerial coverage, cubic tons of water, whatever) and was not even attempting it. Are we discussing two different things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beneficii Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 It "looks" more awesome and destructive...because you've gotten 100x the amount of "looks." Most of those videos from Japan look similar to what happened in places like Sri Lanka...which was 1000's of miles away from the epicenter in 2004. For some people, it might also be that Japan is a modern, industrialized country and these were videos of normal first world people being impacted, as opposed to the resort towns and third world huts we saw in 2004. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Lizard Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 That looked like one of the flatter parts of Japan (not an expert, brief visit to Okinawa only), and it would seem 10 or 15 minutes notice wouldn't be enough for a lot of people to get the six miles or more inland needed to escape the tsunami. I saw the California tsunami footage on CNN this morning, such a small looking wave, just a foot or two high, but it had such speed and power as it was wrecking the docks and boats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k*** Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 And thus my original comment, which was assessing the dramatic nature of the footage-- not the objective magnitude of this tsunami event. I have no metrics for comparing the two events as tsunamis (height, aerial coverage, cubic tons of water, whatever) and was not even attempting it. Are we discussing two different things? Not so much...I agree there is more dramatic footage from Japan, but the most dramatic footage still comes from 2004...that aceh stuff is insane (as would be expected from a tsunami that was 70-100 feet tall) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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