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The infamous SNE lawn thread


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LOL.

Aren't you a science teacher or something?

Better living through chemistry, right? In all seriousness, terrible what humans do to the environment to keep up appearances...the biggest gas-guzzlers, the most chemically altered artificial properties, the most processed foods wrapped in Styrofoam packaging. For all the beauty in humanity and this world, sometimes I'm just horrified...and scared!

George Carlin had it right

"You got people like this around you? Country is full of them now! People walking around all day long, every minute of the day — worried about EVERYTHING! Worried about the air, worried about the water, worried about the soil. Worried about insecticides, pesticides, food additives, carcinogens; worried about radon gas; worried about asbestos. Worried about saving endangered species.

Let me tell you about endangered species, all right? Saving endangered species is just one more arrogant attempt by humans to control Nature! It's arrogant meddling! It's what got us into trouble in the first place! Doesn't anybody understand that? Interfering with Nature! Over 90 percent.. over... way over 90 percent of all the species that have ever lived — EVER LIVED — on this planet are gone. Whissshht! They are extinct!

We didn't kill them all.

They just... disappeared! That's what Nature does! They disappear these days at the rate of 25 a day, and I mean regardless of our behavior. Irrespective of how we act on this planet, 25 species that were here today, will be gone tomorrow! Let them go... gracefully! Leave Nature alone! Haven't we done enough?

We're so self-important. So self-important! Everybody's going to save something now. "Save the trees; save the bees; save the whales; save those snails." And the greatest arrogance of all, "Save the planet." WHAT? Are these ****ing people kidding me? Save the planet? We don't even know how to take care of ourselves yet. We haven't learned how to care for one another, we're gonna save the ****ing planet?

I'm getting tired of that ****. Tired of that ****. Tired! I'm tired of ****ing Earth Day! I'm tired of these self-righteous environmentalists; these white, bourgeois liberals who think the only thing wrong with this country is there aren't enough bicycle paths. People trying to make the world safe for their Volvos. Besides, environmentalists don't give a **** about the planet. They don't care about the planet. Not in the abstract they don't. Not in the abstract they don't. You know what they're interested in? A clean place to live. Their own habitat. They're worried that some day in the future, they might be personally inconvenienced. Narrow, unenlightened self-interest doesn't impress me.

Besides, there is nothing wrong with the planet. Nothing wrong with the planet. The planet is fine. The PEOPLE are ****ed. Difference. Difference! The planet is fine. Compared to the people, the planet is doing great. Been here four and a half billion years. Did you ever think about the arithmetic? The planet has been here four and a half billion years. We've been here, what? A hundred thousand? Maybe two hundred thousand? And we've only been engaged in heavy industry for a little over two hundred years. Two hundred years versus four and a half billion. And we have the CONCEIT to think that somehow we're a threat? That somehow we're gonna put in jeopardy this beautiful little blue-green ball that's just a-floatin' around the sun?

The planet has been through a lot worse than us. Been through all kinds of things worse than us. Been through earthquakes, volcanoes, plate tectonics, continental drift, solar flares, sun spots, magnetic storms, the magnetic reversal of the poles; hundreds of thousands of years of bombardment by comets and asteroids and meteors; worlwide floods, tidal waves, worldwide fires, erosion, cosmic rays, recurring ice ages... And we think some plastic bags, and some aluminum cans are going to make a difference? The planet... the planet... the planet isn't going anywhere. WE ARE!

We're going away. Pack your ****, folks. We're going away. And we won't leave much of a trace, either. Thank God for that. Maybe a little styrofoam. Maybe. A little styrofoam. The planet will be here and we'll be long gone. Just another failed mutation. Just another closed-end biological mistake. An evolutionary cul-de-sac. The planet will shake us off like a bad case of fleas. A surface nuisance.

You wanna know how the planet is doing? Ask those people at Pompeii, who are frozen into position from volcanic ash, "How the planet's doing?" You wanna know if the planet's all right, ask those people in Mexico City or Armenia or a hundred other places buried under thousands of tons of earthquake rubble, if they feel like a threat to the planet this week. Or how about those people in Kilowaia, Hawaii, who built their homes right next to an active volcano, and then wonder why they have lava in the living room.

The planet will be here for a long, long — LONG — time after we're gone, and it will heal itself; it will cleanse itself, because that's what it does. It's a self-correcting system. The air and the water will recover; the earth will be renewed; and, if it's true that plastic is not degradable, well, the planet will simply incorporate plastic into a new pardigm: the Earth plus plastic! The Earth doesn't share our prejudice towards plastic. Plastic came out of the Earth. The Earth probably sees plastic as just another one of its children. Could be the only reason the Earth allowed us to be spawned from it in the first place. It wanted plastic for itself. Didn't know how to make it. Needed us. Could be the answer to our age-old philosophical question, "Why are we here?" "Plastic! eekholes."

So! So, the plastic is here, our job is done, we can be phased out now. And I think that it has already started already, don't you? I think, to be fair, the planet probably sees us as a mild threat. Something to be dealt with. And I am sure the planet will defend itself in the manner of a large organism, like a beehive or an ant colony, and muster a defense. I am sure the planet will think of something. What would you do if you were the planet trying to defend against this pesky, troublesome species? "Let's see... What might... Hmm.. Viruses! Viruses might be good. They seem vulnerable to viruses. And, uh...viruses are tricky, always mutating and forming new strains whenever a vaccine is developed. Perhaps, this first virus could be one that compromises the immune system of these creatures. Perhaps a human immunodeficiency virus, making them vulnerable to all sorts of other diseases and infections that might come along. And maybe it could be spread sexually, making them a little reluctant to engage in the act of reproduction."

Well, that's a poetic note. And it's a start. And I can dream, can't I? See I don't worry about the little things: bees, trees, whales, snails. I think we're part of a greater wisdom than we will ever understand. A higher order. Call it what you want. Know what I call it? The Big Electron." The Big Electron...whoooa. Whoooa. Whoooa. It doesn't punish; it doesn't reward; it doesn't judge at all. It just is. And so are we. For a little while.

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George Carlin had it right

"You got people like this around you? Country is full of them now! People walking around all day long, every minute of the day — worried about EVERYTHING! Worried about the air, worried about the water, worried about the soil. Worried about insecticides, pesticides, food additives, carcinogens; worried about radon gas; worried about asbestos. Worried about saving endangered species.

He was just awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw

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Evolutionary cul-de-sac :thumbsup: He was so awesome. One of my favorites.

I did see a depressing thing on one of the lame news channels about trash the other night. One of the segments was on parts of the oceans where plastic debris form great gyres. One is dubbed the Great Pacific Garbage Patch. Sad... but the planet will survive.

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I was lucky enough to see one of Carlin's last performances live when he was in NoHo a few months before he died. A brilliant man and extremely funny.

I wanted to get to that show but wasn't able to. Heading to the Horse tonight to see Kris Delmhorst. Wanted to go tomorrow night to see Fred Eaglesmith but wife and babysitter availability say to go tonight.

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Well tents up on the back deck, yard is ready, no matter what it will be a great party for my daughter!

Organics for the win

That's a fine looking piece of grass.

What is the best length to mow grass to encourage healthy growth? I've started going with the highest setting on the mower. If nothing else, it helps avoid some of the many hazards of of my mowing area (hills, ledge, large roots)? My daughter told me it's not good for croquet. She's right on that, but just the same I'm wondering if it promotes a healthier lawn than anything shorter.

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Yes, I know. Kevin should listen to Joe's advice instead of wantonly dumping chemicals in an effort to get a lawn that's as lush as Joe's.

If you know your plants, you don't need chemicals. I am far from an expert/professional landscaper, but I can usually get the flowers/vegetables I select to produce at least in some fashion. I guess I do have some experience volunteering on organic farms, and some of it is just innate, but I believe anyone can learn to cultivate an environmentally-friendly yard and garden with just a bit more effort than normal. If you do things in harmony with the ecosystem (for the most part), eventually it will produce for you. Obviously all our gardening habits are somewhat unnatural in that they are impeding the earth's tendency to value a persistent biodiversity...semi-equal growth of what's already there...but at the same time, the less you interfere, the more plants give you back. And at this point, most chemical remedies have an organic equivalent that you can just look up online.

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If you know your plants, you don't need chemicals. I am far from an expert/professional landscaper, but I can usually get the flowers/vegetables I select to produce at least in some fashion. I guess I do have some experience volunteering on organic farms, and some of it is just innate, but I believe anyone can learn to cultivate an environmentally-friendly yard and garden with just a bit more effort than normal. If you do things in harmony with the ecosystem (for the most part), eventually it will produce for you. Obviously all our gardening habits are somewhat unnatural in that they are impeding the earth's tendency to value a persistent biodiversity...semi-equal growth of what's already there...but at the same time, the less you interfere, the more plants give you back. And at this point, most chemical remedies have an organic equivalent that you can just look up online.

I went to a Waldorf school that was on a farm. They use a bio-dynamic method for farming on a large scale. A little stinky at times but they do very well with crop yields. One of my clients has just added a major Solar component to the house I'm building for him. This, combined with the geo-thermal system will greatly enhance the ability for this residence to be self sustaining. Too bad we all don't have $250,000+ to hook up similar systems.lol

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I went to a Waldorf school that was on a farm. They use a bio-dynamic method for farming on a large scale. A little stinky at times but they do very well with crop yields. One of my clients has just added a major Solar component to the house I'm building for him. This, combined with the geo-thermal system will greatly enhance the ability for this residence to be self sustaining. Too bad we all don't have $250,000+ to hook up similar systems.lol

I think the net-cost of paying for oil and electricity will be much less than the $250k system. I'll stick with what I have. :)

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I think the net-cost of paying for oil and electricity will be much less than the $250k system. I'll stick with what I have. :)

Yeah, it's mostly justfor bragging rights. Still, it's nice to see the technology filtering down to the residential market. Remember when flat screen TVsused to be 10k or more? Eventually the technology will become more mainstream. Both of my friends households in AK get a good amount of power from Solar,(supplemented by diesel generators). I commend my client for stepping up and making a real commitment to the green idea.

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That's a fine looking piece of grass.

What is the best length to mow grass to encourage healthy growth? I've started going with the highest setting on the mower. If nothing else, it helps avoid some of the many hazards of of my mowing area (hills, ledge, large roots)? My daughter told me it's not good for croquet. She's right on that, but just the same I'm wondering if it promotes a healthier lawn than anything shorter.

His grass is thick to be sure..but there's alot of weeds in there as you can see.

Keep the blade high. I keep it around 3 inches length of grass. Anything lower encourages weeds

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If you know your plants, you don't need chemicals. I am far from an expert/professional landscaper, but I can usually get the flowers/vegetables I select to produce at least in some fashion. I guess I do have some experience volunteering on organic farms, and some of it is just innate, but I believe anyone can learn to cultivate an environmentally-friendly yard and garden with just a bit more effort than normal. If you do things in harmony with the ecosystem (for the most part), eventually it will produce for you. Obviously all our gardening habits are somewhat unnatural in that they are impeding the earth's tendency to value a persistent biodiversity...semi-equal growth of what's already there...but at the same time, the less you interfere, the more plants give you back. And at this point, most chemical remedies have an organic equivalent that you can just look up online.

what goes on at middlebury college?

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