Old Hurricane Donna Footage

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Though there is no location given,it looks to be from around our area.

My first guess would be here on the South Shore.If anyone has any

guesses feel free to chime in.After it goes blank near the end,there

is still some footage after.

[NorthShoreWx]

Good find Blue Wave. This one was on the other choices shown...fascinating look at what may have been teh met state of the art then. If nothing else, its great to see a TV met who can't just rip and read:

Edit: I think Gordon Dunn was director of the NHC .. or its predecessor which may have been an offshoot of the Miami Weather Bureau at the time. Either way, that would mean he was not a TV met. Still it's an absolutely fascinating bit of wx history to watch.

[ArtRosen]

Good find Blue Wave. This one was on the other choices shown...fascinating look at what may have been teh met state of the art then. If nothing else, its great to see a TV met who can't just rip and read:

Edit: I think Gordon Dunn was director of the NHC .. or its predecessor which may have been an offshoot of the Miami Weather Bureau at the time. Either way, that would mean he was not a TV met. Still it's an absolutely fascinating bit of wx history to watch.

Damn. Was just going to post this. I love the part about where he says "I don't think in my lifetime we'll ever be able to accurately predict where a hurricane will go 100%." This was 51 years ago. Dunn died in 1994, 34 years after this was shot.

I have to concur with Dunn's statement about this. We probably won't see it in our lifetimes either... although we do have a very good range of certainty within 48 hours. It's just amazing to look at how things were, meteorologically, pre-Satellite era.

[ArtRosen]

Good find Blue Wave. This one was on the other choices shown...fascinating look at what may have been teh met state of the art then. If nothing else, its great to see a TV met who can't just rip and read:

Edit: I think Gordon Dunn was director of the NHC .. or its predecessor which may have been an offshoot of the Miami Weather Bureau at the time. Either way, that would mean he was not a TV met. Still it's an absolutely fascinating bit of wx history to watch.

In the video at 3:27 it shows a Talbot Place. There is a Talbot Place in Island Park which is the South Shore.

Also, looking at some of the houses there, that have obviously been renovated since the storm, but the overall structures look about the same.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=talbot+place+long+island,+ny&bav=on.2,or.&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

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Good find Blue Wave. This one was on the other choices shown...fascinating look at what may have been teh met state of the art then. If nothing else, its great to see a TV met who can't just rip and read:

Edit: I think Gordon Dunn was director of the NHC .. or its predecessor which may have been an offshoot of the Miami Weather Bureau at the time. Either way, that would mean he was not a TV met. Still it's an absolutely fascinating bit of wx history to watch.

Cool..thanks.

In the video at 3:27 it shows a Talbot Place. There is a Talbot Place in Island Park which is the South Shore.

Also, looking at some of the houses there, that have obviously been renovated since the storm, but the overall structures look about the same.

http://maps.google.c...F-8&sa=N&tab=wl

That was my first choice also after I checked it on Google maps.The trees and houses have the look of Island Park.

Obviously none of those stores are the same anymore.I also checked out the other videos by the poster and found

a short video taken around the time of what looks like the old sea plane base that used to be down here.

[uncle W]

I was in the sixth grade and I believe it was the first day of school that year...I went to school that morning and remember seeing the News Paper the next day with a picture of the Staten island ferry floundering off Brooklyn's terminal...The water was up to the top of the sea wall with waves crashing over it onto the belt parkway and 69th st...I think schools would be closed if we knew a Donna type hurricane was going to hit us that day...1960-61 was an interesting school term...Donna started it off with a bang...The winter featured three blizzards...the Spring was cold and damp...Snow's inland until Memorial Day...

[A-L-E-X]

I was in the sixth grade and I believe it was the first day of school that year...I went to school that morning and remember seeing the News Paper the next day with a picture of the Staten island ferry floundering off Brooklyn's terminal...The water was up to the top of the sea wall with waves crashing over it onto the belt parkway and 69th st...I think schools would be closed if we knew a Donna type hurricane was going to hit us that day...1960-61 was an interesting school term...Donna started it off with a bang...The winter featured three blizzards...the Spring was cold and damp...Snow's inland until Memorial Day...

Unc.... which hurricane do you think had the most impact on our region since 1938?

[uncle W]

Unc.... which hurricane do you think had the most impact on our region since 1938?

My Aunt told me about the 1944 hurricane that flooded Coney Island...There was a sunken tug boat near the N tracks that crossed Perfume Bay ( Coney Island Creek ) that sunk during the storm...If Donna struck today it would cause even more damage than it did back then...Donna had a seventy MPH gust in Central Park...My list would be...

1 1938

2 1960 Donna

3 1944

4 1985 Gloria

5 1991 Bob

6 1971 Doria

7 1999 Floyd

[HarveyLeonardFan]

My Aunt told me about the 1944 hurricane that flooded Coney Island...There was a sunken tug boat near the N tracks that crossed Perfume Bay ( Coney Island Creek ) that sunk during the storm...If Donna struck today it would cause even more damage than it did back then...Donna had a seventy MPH gust in Central Park...My list would be...

1 1938

2 1960 Donna

3 1944

4 1985 Gloria

5 1991 Bob

6 1971 Doria

7 1999 Floyd

What impact did Carol in 1954 have on NYC? Where did the 1944 hurricane make landfall?

[A-L-E-X]

My Aunt told me about the 1944 hurricane that flooded Coney Island...There was a sunken tug boat near the N tracks that crossed Perfume Bay ( Coney Island Creek ) that sunk during the storm...If Donna struck today it would cause even more damage than it did back then...Donna had a seventy MPH gust in Central Park...My list would be...

1 1938

2 1960 Donna

3 1944

4 1985 Gloria

5 1991 Bob

6 1971 Doria

7 1999 Floyd

I guess Belle doesnt make the list. What about Hazel, Unc?

[LongBeachSurfFreak]

What impact did Carol in 1954 have on NYC? Where did the 1944 hurricane make landfall?

Carol was a compact storm (retaining tropical characteristics extremely well by NE standards) Thus the wind field was also compact and did not effect NYC as much as the 1944 storm which was the opposite in that it was huge with a tremendous wind field. Its difficult to pinpoint an exact landfall location with 44 as it had a large eye Central Suffolk is probably closet to an actual point.

Donna here in Long Beach was the last big one from what some old timers have told me. The last time the bay met the ocean across the length of the island.

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The highest tide levels here in Long Beach of more modern times were with the December 11,1992 Nor'easter

and Hurricane Gloria wich were close.Hurricane Donna was either equal to or maybe a bit higher from the

information that I was able to find out.The storm surge from the 1938 Hurricane caused a lot of damage here

though the exact storm levels were hard to find.I found tide guage data from Sandy Hook,NJ which

is close on most of the storms to here but Gloria was higher here since we were closer to the surge max.

I also have Slosh Model data from Hurricane Gloria.

Sandy Hook Guage

http://www.erh.noaa....tide/monmou.pdf

Hurricane Gloria Slosh Model

http://www.nhc.noaa....NHC-1986-32.pdf

Some other storms high on the list were:

1944 Hurricane

Early 50's Storms

Ash Wednesday Storm 1962

December 1974 Storm

Hurricane Belle a bit lower

March 1984

Halloween 1991

March 1993

[LongBeachSurfFreak]

The highest tide levels here in Long Beach of more modern times were with the December 11,1992 Nor'easter

and Hurricane Gloria wich were close.Hurricane Donna was either equal to or maybe a bit higher from the

information that I was able to find out.The storm surge from the 1938 Hurricane caused a lot of damage here

though the exact storm levels were hard to find.I found tide guage data from Sandy Hook,NJ which

is close on most of the storms to here but Gloria was higher here since we were closer to the surge max.

I also have Slosh Model data from Hurricane Gloria.

Sandy Hook Guage

http://www.erh.noaa....tide/monmou.pdf

Hurricane Gloria Slosh Model

http://www.nhc.noaa....NHC-1986-32.pdf

Some other storms high on the list were:

1944 Hurricane

Early 50's Storms

Ash Wednesday Storm 1962

December 1974 Storm

Hurricane Belle a bit lower

March 1984

Halloween 1991

March 1993

Nice! To bad no info is available for 38. I suspect that surge was something like 12 feet or more in LB based on pics of houses destroyed in the west end and point lookout.

Obviously 1992 was incredible but I think Donna was a couple feet higher based on stories from some old time locals of row boats going down Park Ave in the center of town.

[A-L-E-X]

I imagine the 1893 Hurricane would have beaten all the rest for its impact on Western Long Island.....

[psv88]

I imagine the 1893 Hurricane would have beaten all the rest for its impact on Western Long Island.....

is this the storm that destroyed hog island?

[A-L-E-X]

is this the storm that destroyed hog island?

Yes it is the storm that destroyed that resort island

[LongIslandHurricanes]

Police Car in video is definatly a Nassau county car.Google search and looks exactly the same

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Nice! To bad no info is available for 38. I suspect that surge was something like 12 feet or more in LB based on pics of houses destroyed in the west end and point lookout.

Obviously 1992 was incredible but I think Donna was a couple feet higher based on stories from some old time locals of row boats going down Park Ave in the center of town.

I found an old newspaper article on Hurricane Donna here in Long Beach published on Thursday,September 15th,1960.

Better than three quarters of the homes in the community were without light and electric power for periods of

from 12-26 hours.Experts described conditions in Westholme and in the West End,at the height of the storm,

as critical.Above normal tides carried small boats,beach booths,and other beachfront equipment onto Beech

Street and along West Broadway and into the narrower oceanfront streets. At points in the western part of the

community,ocean water covered the streets and reached a height of four or more feet.Many roofs were partially

torn from houses and countless trees were damaged.Police reported numerous calls requiring medical

attention from persons suffering from cuts,due to the flying glass.At the height of the storm,the roof of the city's smaller

water tower was torn from its fiundation and crashed into the street below.The Long Beach Fire Dept. had one of its

busiest days on record with Hurricane Donna.Several calls were answered by firemen in the West End in

outboard motor boats,which were used to help evacuate marooned men,women,and children.

During the course of the storm,winds of up to 90 mles per hour buffeted the city.

[A-L-E-X]

The "big" thing about Donna was the eye -- 100 miles wide and still intact on landfall -- it covered all of Long Island.

[LongIslandHurricanes]

I found an old newspaper article on Hurricane Donna here in Long Beach published on Thursday,September 15th,1960.

Better than three quarters of the homes in the community were without light and electric power for periods of

from 12-26 hours.Experts described conditions in Westholme and in the West End,at the height of the storm,

as critical.Above normal tides carried small boats,beach booths,and other beachfront equipment onto Beech

Street and along West Broadway and into the narrower oceanfront streets. At points in the western part of the

community,ocean water covered the streets and reached a height of four or more feet.Many roofs were partially

torn from houses and countless trees were damaged.Police reported numerous calls requiring medical

attention from persons suffering from cuts,due to the flying glass.At the height of the storm,the roof of the city's smaller

water tower was torn from its fiundation and crashed into the street below.The Long Beach Fire Dept. had one of its

busiest days on record with Hurricane Donna.Several calls were answered by firemen in the West End in

outboard motor boats,which were used to help evacuate marooned men,women,and children.

During the course of the storm,winds of up to 90 mles per hour buffeted the city.

Newspaper front page headlines articles,and photos..Videos,and more

http://www.hurricanes-blizzards-noreasters.com/hurricanedonna.html

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Newspaper front page headlines articles,and photos..Videos,and more

http://www.hurricane...icanedonna.html

You did a great job putting that page together.

It was impressive to see wind gusts to 93 mph as far west as LGA with center passing out over Suffolk.

BOSTON WEATHER BUREAU BULLETIN ON HURRICANE DONNA 3 PM EST MONDAY SEPTEMBER 12 1960

THE CENTER OF SEVERE HURRICANE DONNA PASSED INSHORE OVER CENTRAL LONG ISLAND AT 2 PM EST. IT IS MOVING TOWARDS THE NORTH-NORTHEAST BETWEEN 35 AND 40 MPH. THIS PATH WI LL BRING THE CENTER SLIGHTLY TO THE EAST OF HARTFORD BY MID AFTERNOON. ALL PRECAUIIONS SHOULD B E CONTINUED FOR HURRICANE WINDS THRU NEW ENGLAND THRU THE BALANCE OF THE AFTERNOON AND NIGHT. WINDS 74 TO 100MPH AND OCCASIONALLY HIGHER IN GUSTS HAVE BEEN REPORTED ACROSS LONG ISLAND THIS AFTERNOON. LAGUARDIA AIRPORT AT NEW YORK MEASURED GUSTS TO 93 MPH AT NOON EST TODAY.

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The "big" thing about Donna was the eye -- 100 miles wide and still intact on landfall -- it covered all of Long Island.

It was cool to see a period of light winds over Southern New Jersey with the center passing 80 miles to the east.

LOCAL STATATEMENT ON HURRICANE DONNA ISSUED BY ATLANTIC CITY NJ WEATHER BUREAU AT 1245 4 121960-

AT NOON EDT HURRICANE DONNA WAS CENTERED ABOUT 80 MILES EAST OF ATLANTIC CITY MOVING NORTHEASTWARD. THE EYE OF THE STORM IS QUITE BROAD AS EVIDENCED BY THE LIGHT WINDS WHICH HAD BEEN REPORTED FOR A PERIOD ALONG THE SOUTHERN NEWJERSEY COAST.

The cut and paste didn't work too well for me off that site so the link is below:

http://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/noaareports/at196005.pdf

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More newsreel footage recently added to YouTube showing Hurricane Donna hitting our area:

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So Donna and 1938 had more wind even for our area in extreme Western Nassau and NYC than December 1992 did?

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So Donna and 1938 had more wind even for our area in extreme Western Nassau and NYC than December 1992 did?

The tides in Hurricane Donna were similar to December 1992 for our area but Donna's winds were stronger.