Give up on an encore

[Wx4cast]

I actually have the spring itch more than most on here. As I get older I hate the nuisance cold more and more. I actually enjoy the late March 50s/60s with full sun. It's a nice kick in the ass to my SAD.

I don't. I like a wild March, even April. Yes I enjoy the mild spring day here and there but I like my May's warm. I think the only reason why I might be looking forward to Spring more so this year was the fac that this winter which from a perception perspective seemed harsh. Yet this perception is only because the previous two were not (sucked). If next year's winter is the same or better than this year's was and I feel like I want Spring like I do this year then you may be onto something but I refuse to admit I'm old or getting older.

[Wx4cast]

Over 81" this year and it's possible I'm shut out during March. Go figure. Hopefully I can get something later in the month, but climo is not so friendly.

That's pretty good, Scott. Coming up on 90 here in GFL. Won't make the C mark this year unless there's a late month surprise but its been a good year made better by the cold keeping the snowpack around.

[HIPPYVALLEY]

I don't. I like a wild March, even April. Yes I enjoy the mild spring day here and there but I like my May's warm. I think the only reason why I might be looking forward to Spring more so this year was the fac that this winter which from a perception perspective seemed harsh. Yet this perception is only because the previous two were not (sucked). If next year's winter is the same or better than this year's was and I feel like I want Spring like I do this year then you may be onto something but I refuse to admit I'm old or getting older.

I'm a huge winter fan and usually want it to go Dec. to April but I think what made this winter a little tough here were multiple front end thumpings that turned to sleet then fzra. That can make winter a little tiresome. In fact most of the 20"+ we got around here in Feb was followed quickly by wash and freeze.

[Logan11]

97.2" here now. I think the odds are good to get that 2.8" and hit the century mark. Last year I missed it by one inch, but that sort of felt like cheating because one storm accounted for almost half the snowfall. This year it was many moderate events and a couple borderline major.

That's pretty good, Scott. Coming up on 90 here in GFL. Won't make the C mark this year unless there's a late month surprise but its been a good year made better by the cold keeping the snowpack around.

[Logan11]

It's such a long stretch (often 7 months) between measurable snowfall. So I find it ridiculous to embrace spring and give up on winter events in March. Once it really is done in April we are looking at 7 months until the next snowfall and I know that by around July I'll already be looking forward to it.

I'm a huge winter fan and usually want it to go Dec. to April but I think what made this winter a little tough here were multiple front end thumpings that turned to sleet then fzra. That can make winter a little tiresome. In fact most of the 20"+ we got around here in Feb was followed quickly by wash and freeze.

[HarveyLeonardFan]

Light snow here for an hour or so. Small flakes floating around. Melting on contact. Been awhile....nice to see

Big, big winter incoming. Big, big winter!!!

The snow gods are still paying you guys back in Boston for March 1993. I remember the last event very late that month Brockton on north just barely threaded the needle and had a fun 6 inch plus wet snow bomb.

[tamarack]

The answer is the 1980's

cold-dry....cut.....cold-dry.....cut......cold-dry.....cut....and so on...

Pretty good fit for Maine 2009-10, too, especially after the New Year's retro bomb locked in place. Hope this doesn't get to be a habit.

[ORH_wxman]

Big, big winter incoming. Big, big winter!!!

The snow gods are still paying you guys back in Boston for March 1993. I remember the last event very late that month Brockton on north just barely threaded the needle and had a fun 6 inch plus wet snow bomb.

More like payback for 1997....and 2001 as well for the interior.

[mattb65]

If April and May are nice, then that's fine. I can deal with that. But if they turn out to be just cold and raw..that's when it gets depressing.

The weather will do what it wants to do, so we just deal I guess. Hopefully we get a nice late season gift. Even a nice 3-5" paste would be welcomed...I'm not asking for a blizzard.

Sounds like the board has moved on from denial and full on into bargaining. What's the next stage?

[40/70 Benchmark]

I think if I were given a choice between a pattern characterized by wamrth and comfort, or a pattern in which we had a shot at more snow, I'd choose the former....I'm all set with running the risk of enduring cold spring rains.

Alas, I have no choice.

[40/70 Benchmark]

Sounds like the board has moved on from denial and full on into bargaining. What's the next stage?

I'm ready to watch a ball game in shorts....it was a good season.

[ORH_wxman]

I'm ready to watch a ball game in shorts....it was a good season.

So to answer his question...you'd be in the "acceptance stage"

[40/70 Benchmark]

So to answer his question...you'd be in the "acceptance stage"

Yes.

I may feel differently if I lived @ 800', but I live @ 111'.

Don't get me wrong, if a chance arises then I'll track it and hope for the best, but I'd forego it to ensure a nice spring....at this point.

[HIPPYVALLEY]

I'm ready to watch a ball game in shorts....it was a good season.

A cool rainy spring prefaced by Beckett, Lester and Lackey getting lit up the first 3 games in a row would = .

[dendrite]

I don't. I like a wild March, even April. Yes I enjoy the mild spring day here and there but I like my May's warm. I think the only reason why I might be looking forward to Spring more so this year was the fac that this winter which from a perception perspective seemed harsh. Yet this perception is only because the previous two were not (sucked). If next year's winter is the same or better than this year's was and I feel like I want Spring like I do this year then you may be onto something but I refuse to admit I'm old or getting older.

I should clarify that I'm all for a wild March/early Apr too. I'll take the 12z EC for my backyard over 60F this time of year any day. Not that I have any choice in the matter, but I could do without a chilly March if it only means a few inches of snow. It's probably documented here that I like winter/summer extremes so at some point in the spring I flip a switch like Kevin and start cheering on the high heat. The difference is I hope for all of our lawns to cook while he is aiming for the 18th hole green of the Masters.

Anyways, the 12z EC was probably a best case scenario for here so I took it with a grain of salt. I wasn't trying to rub it into anyone from SNE. Saturday does look a little intriguing though with the backdoor CAA ahead of the incoming wave overnight.

[40/70 Benchmark]

I should clarify that I'm all for a wild March/early Apr too. I'll take the 12z EC for my backyard over 60F this time of year any day. Not that I have any choice in the matter, but I could do without a chilly March if it only means a few inches of snow. It's probably documented here that I like winter/summer extremes so at some point in the spring I flip a switch like Kevin and start cheering on the high heat. The difference is I hope for all of our lawns to cook while he is aiming for the 18th hole green of the Masters.

Anyways, the 12z EC was probably a best case scenario for here so I took it with a grain of salt. I wasn't trying to rub it into anyone from SNE. Saturday does look a little intriguing though with the backdoor CAA ahead of the incoming wave overnight.

Don't worry about that....anyone taking umbrage to you rooting on interesting wx in yby is an idiot.

[ORH_wxman]

Yes.

I may feel differently if I lived @ 800', but I live @ 111'.

Don't get me wrong, if a chance arises then I'll track it and hope for the best, but I'd forego it to ensure a nice spring....at this point.

Yeah I don't blame you...by the time anything possible comes along it would be after the equinox which is pretty much lights out for the CP. Its not looking much better for the hills, though we realistically have probably through the first week of April if we can get any type of system to get underneath a negative mid-level temp anomaly. But given the propensity to have this exceptionally broad and deep WC trough, it will make it unlikely for much of anything even with the shortening wavelengths. Its likely it goes away at least partially late month via MJO tendencies, but then you are still going to have to get a nice cold anomaly in the mid-levels to set something up rather than merely avg ML temps....and I'll believe we see that brutally large WC trough gone when I see it despite what models say. They've been over playing its demise thus far in March.

[40/70 Benchmark]

Yeah I don't blame you...by the time anything possible comes along it would be after the equinox which is pretty much lights out for the CP. Its not looking much better for the hills, though we realistically have probably through the first week of April if we can get any type of system to get underneath a negative mid-level temp anomaly. But given the propensity to have this exceptionally broad and deep WC trough, it will make it unlikely for much of anything even with the shortening wavelengths. Its likely it goes away at least partially late month via MJO tendencies, but then you are still going to have to get a nice cold anomaly in the mid-levels to set something up rather than merely avg ML temps....and I'll believe we see that brutally large WC trough gone when I see it despite what models say. They've been over playing its demise thus far in March.

I agree whole heartedly with Dendite's sentiment, though; I have 6" more of snow this season than I did in 2008-09.....but it is no mystery as to why I rate this one as one of the best of my lifetime.

Condense the action into one, cold, epic month.

Keep the 4 6" events per month; having never accrued a depth greater than 20" or so, briefly.....rock my world for one month, then go to hell.

[dendrite]

Don't worry about that....anyone taking umbrage to you rooting on interesting wx in yby is an idiot.

I wouldn't go that far, but I can understand how it can be frustrating for some in SNE during those latitudinal events like 2/25 where I get a nice pasting and you guys get a cold rain. Those things even out over time though while I'm under virga altostratus with 2m dewpoint depressions of 15C and SNE is racking up 12-20". Obviously it's more fun when we're all involved to some degree, but those events are few and far between. I try to take my grazes and misses like a man and enjoy/get involved with the events that strike south of me, but after a few misses in a row I can only take so much too.

There's only a few of us up here in the Lakes Region posting frequently and I'm probably the only one that really analyzes the model runs. I haven't considered these threads as solely SNE at all this winter so I haven't been afraid to be involved. I wanted the storm threads this winter to be for all of New England while the obs/general threads could be separated between NNE and SNE. So if anyone finds me talking about winter threats for mby in these threads it's with no malicious intent.

[A-L-E-X]

I should clarify that I'm all for a wild March/early Apr too. I'll take the 12z EC for my backyard over 60F this time of year any day. Not that I have any choice in the matter, but I could do without a chilly March if it only means a few inches of snow. It's probably documented here that I like winter/summer extremes so at some point in the spring I flip a switch like Kevin and start cheering on the high heat. The difference is I hope for all of our lawns to cook while he is aiming for the 18th hole green of the Masters.

Anyways, the 12z EC was probably a best case scenario for here so I took it with a grain of salt. I wasn't trying to rub it into anyone from SNE. Saturday does look a little intriguing though with the backdoor CAA ahead of the incoming wave overnight.

Even though we're from vastly different regions, we are of like mind here-- I like cold from the middle of October through the middle of April and lots of heat (minus the humidity) from the middle of April through the middle of October.

[A-L-E-X]

Don't worry about that....anyone taking umbrage to you rooting on interesting wx in yby is an idiot.

Yeah, it's not like he's rooting against anyone else ... he's rooting for himself-- which we all do.

[Zeus]

You guys.

It snowed today.

I totally saw it.

[ORH_wxman]

I agree whole heartedly with Dendite's sentiment, though; I have 6" more of snow this season than I did in 2008-09.....but it is no mystery as to why I rate this one as one of the best of my lifetime.

Condense the action into one, cold, epic month.

Keep the 4 6" events per month; having never accrued a depth greater than 20" or so, briefly.....rock my world for one month, then go to hell.

To go slightly OT from the main point...

The thing about 2008-2009 is it did have a fairly epic 5-6 week stretch....minus the HECS. What killed it for snow depth was the monster torching grinch storm and then a separate 2 day torch before the 12/31/08 event to basically finish off what was left of the epic December 19-21 stuff. So we had to start from scratch after 20"+ OTG. We regained close to or just above 20" OTG before it turned to crap in February, but obviously we did not get the 30"+ depths since we had to start from scratch. But I think from Dec 19-Jan 28 that winter, I had 55-60" of snow or so....which is pretty tough to do actually.

What was great about this winter (for snow depth) was that

A--- the epic stretch was maybe condensed by a couple weeks (and a touch more snow overall)

B--- it had no torch anywhere in that stretch...nevermind mundane mild stretches. It was cold to keep the snow where it was.

[cheetah440]

Yes.

I may feel differently if I lived @ 800', but I live @ 111'.

Don't get me wrong, if a chance arises then I'll track it and hope for the best, but I'd forego it to ensure a nice spring....at this point.

Just when was the last time we had one of those around here?

[40/70 Benchmark]

To go slightly OT from the main point...

The thing about 2008-2009 is it did have a fairly epic 5-6 week stretch....minus the HECS. What killed it for snow depth was the monster torching grinch storm and then a separate 2 day torch before the 12/31/08 event to basically finish off what was left of the epic December 19-21 stuff. So we had to start from scratch after 20"+ OTG. We regained close to or just above 20" OTG before it turned to crap in February, but obviously we did not get the 30"+ depths since we had to start from scratch. But I think from Dec 19-Jan 28 that winter, I had 55-60" of snow or so....which is pretty tough to do actually.

What was great about this winter was that

A) the epic stretch was maybe condensed by a couple weeks (and a touch more snow overall)

it had no torch anywhere in that stretch...nevermind mundane mild stretches. It was cold to keep the snow where it was.

You're right...good point.

I had 57" in that stretch (Kev had like 30" lol).....but that torch really detracted from it, where as not only was it even more condensed with a HECS included this year, but we avoided any significant warm spells.

There in lies the diff between a "good" winter and one of the winters of my life.

[40/70 Benchmark]

Just when was the last time we had one of those around here?

Last year.

[ORH_wxman]

You're right...good point.

I had 57" in that stretch (Kev had like 30" lol).....but that torch really detracted from it, where as not only was it even more condensed with a HECS included this year, but we avoided any significant warm spells.

There in lies the diff between a "good" winter and one of the winters of my life.

Yeah if we could have avoided the Grinch storm and the Dec 28-29 torch that winter, then we probably could have come at least somewhat close to this year's snow depths...not as much, but within shouting distance.

But in those gradient Nina years, it can be tough to go those entire snowy stretches without some Grinch appearances or a random torch. Just the nature of those types of years. You play with fire enough and you'll get burned. The trade off though is you get to have a lot more snow than Kevin, lol.

It will be interesting to see if we get another Nina next winter or if we go neutral. Anyone's guess right now though.

[40/70 Benchmark]

Yeah if we could have avoided the Grinch storm and the Dec 28-29 torch that winter, then we probably could have come at least somewhat close to this year's snow depths...not as much, but within shouting distance.

But in those gradient Nina years, it can be tough to go those entire snowy stretches without some Grinch appearances or a random torch. Just the nature of those types of years. The trade off though is you get to have a lot more snow than Kevin, lol.

It will be interesting to see if we get another Nina next winter or if we go neutral. Anyone's guess right now though.

I was initially hearing weak Nino, maybe.

Too bad I couldn't get .6" to stick today, so that I could beat you.

[ORH_wxman]

I was initially hearing weak Nino, maybe.

Too bad I couldn't get .6" to stick today, so that I could beat you.

Yeah well, its almost pure speculation at this point in the year....as is usually the case. I remember we were hearing potential weak Nino too after the '07-'08 Nina and we basically got a weak Nina the next winter (though technically neutral on trimonthly ONI).

We'll have a much better idea in about 3 months...though even then its still far from certain. One thing of note is we've never seen a potent Nino go to a potent Nina and back to a Nino in 3 years. However, as is often the case, sample size issues abound, but the percentage play would be Nina again or neutral.

[40/70 Benchmark]

Yeah well, its almost pure speculation at this point in the year....as is usually the case. I remember we were hearing potential weak Nino too after the '07-'08 Nina and we basically got a weak Nina the next winter (though technically neutral on trimonthly ONI).

We'll have a much better idea in about 3 months...though even then its still far from certain. One thing of note is we've never seen a potent Nino go to a potent Nina and back to a Nino in 3 years. However, as is often the case, sample size issues abound, but the percentage play would be Nina again or neutral.

I'm not huge on the percentage play for reasons that you've already outline.....percentage play woild have dictated a sh*tty winter, this past year.

The seasons which feature a futile March provide the best opportunities to beat you....I just need a sneaky .6".

I'm a sicko'