Typhoon Tip Posted March 13, 2011 Author Share Posted March 13, 2011 Then do away with DST time. If you change the rest of meteorological world to placate to our system...you cause other countries to have to deal with the 1 hour time change each year...which isn't fair at all...it's not their system that is the cause of this so-called "problem," but ours. Because the world and the models run on UTC time, John, not our local time. who gives a crap whether it's 7am or 8am anyway. Most... It doesn't fit into a work day very well, the 8am that is... As far as the other, hey, it's an out-moded unnecessary thing anyway DST. I still don't understand the math in why it matters. What time does France launch balloons/soundings for the models? - for example. Are they launching them in preparation for an 8am ingest, or 7?? DST does not control when the U.S. launches its sounding missions. That's a misconception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 I think you are confused. ...perhaps by my meaning, I am not sure... The bottom line is that it would be better for all if the models were run at 7am everywhere, period. Not sure what the reason for arguing against that. It has nothing to do with benefiting any local bias in the matter. John...I'm not sure what you're saying either. How can the same model run 7am everywhere? All of the RAOBS have to be done at roughly the same time so that they can all be ingested for model initialization. 00 and 12 GMT were chosen for the primary global sounding times.The thing is I know you know all of this so it baffles me if you're being serious. If you want to get rid of DST and keep it just standard that's one thing. But who in the eastern time zone cares if the Euro comes out at 2am EDT instead of 1am EST? I'd much rather have the extra light in evening during the summer. Nothing in meteorology recognizes DST anyways. Climo data continues to run on standard time during DST (5z to 5z for us) and the RAOBS/models continue with their 00z/12z runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Most... It doesn't fit into a work day very well, the 8am that is... As far as the other, hey, it's an out-moded unnecessary thing anyway DST. I still don't understand the math in why it matters. What time does France launch balloons/soundings for the models? - for example. Are they launching them in preparation for an 8am ingest, or 7?? DST does not control when the U.S. launches its sounding missions. That's a misconception. time zones john...not everyone launches balloons at 8am and 7am...some are at midnight...3 am...The models are on UTC time...which is when the balloons are launched. Local time varies across the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 lol Pete... I have that same image from Mammoth Lakes saved on my computer. Its still snowing up here, although the snowpack is quite "moist" now. Temp still hasn't dropped enough below 1,500-2,000ft to freeze it up. We've been 32-37F for like the last 48 hours with very little diurnal swing. New snow past 24 hours for the higher elevations of the central/northern Greens (from south to north along the Spine): Killington: 4" Sugarbush: 9" (2" base) MRG: 4" Bolton Valley: 4" Stowe: 3" Smuggs: 3" Jay Peak: 2" Yeah, I love that one. Had some steadier snowshower activity early in the day but it's just been blustery and mid 30's with a few stray flakes this afternoon. I'll be at MRG this week. MRG freeskiers doing well in comp at Snowbird. This will be a year when the snow will outlast the average skier. Looking forward to a big late April at MRG. Have had some of my best birthday's there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted March 13, 2011 Author Share Posted March 13, 2011 John...I'm not sure what you're saying either. How can the same model run 7am everywhere? All of the RAOBS have to be done at roughly the same time so that they can all be ingested for model initialization. 00 and 12 GMT were chosen for the primary global sounding times. The thing is I know you know all of this so it baffles me if you're being serious. If you want to get rid of DST and keep it just standard that's one thing. But who in the eastern time zone cares if the Euro comes out at 2am EDT instead of 1am EST? I'd much rather have the extra light in evening during the summer. Nothing in meteorology recognizes DST anyways. Climo data continues to run on standard time during DST (5z to 5z for us) and the RAOBS/models continue with their 00z/12z runs. Oh my god! that is NOT what I am saying. I really believe you guys are collectively misconstruing what I am saying. It is up to me to try and explain so that you understand. I will try: There is no reason why the U.S. can't run it's models at 7 instead of 8. They should run them independent of DST - period. The "reason" stated are not reasons, they are self-imposing limitations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted March 13, 2011 Author Share Posted March 13, 2011 time zones john...not everyone launches balloons at 8am and 7am...some are at midnight...3 am...The models are on UTC time...which is when the balloons are launched. Local time varies across the world. This is what I was really after and that is this the BEST possible means to get the data pervasively to everyone that needs the ingest?? This does not explain why we HAVE to run them at 8 versus 7 - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Oh my god! that is NOT what I am saying. I really believe you guys are collectively misconstruing what I am saying. It is up to me to try and explain so that you understand. I will try: There is no reason why the U.S. can't run it's models at 7 instead of 8. They should run them independent of DST - period. The "reason" stated are not reasons, they are self-imposing limitations. they can't...the world raob data wouldn't be there....come on John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 This is what I was really after and that is this the BEST possible means to get the data pervasively to everyone that needs the ingest?? This does not explain why we HAVE to run them at 8 versus 7 - 8am DST is the same as 7am EST...we are the ones who changed the clocks ahead. The world RAOBs would not available for the models at 7am DST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted March 13, 2011 Author Share Posted March 13, 2011 8am DST is the same as 7am EST...we are the ones who changed the clocks ahead. The world RAOBs would not available for the models at 7am DST. So in other words, when the clocks get moved ahead in the spring, we are catching up to the rest of the community then. That's all I am asking and am not getting a straight answer for. Just say yes or no - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CoastalWx Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 I wouldn't be shocked at some flurries or even a little light snow tomorrow...possibly some OES stuff. Strong inv trough passing through along with somewhat unstable atmosphere and cold ne flow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 So in other words, when the clocks get moved ahead in the spring, we are catching up to the rest of the community then. That's all I am asking and am not getting a straight answer for. Just say yes or no - not really...standard time is the standard...daylight savings time is the "invention." Daylight savings time runs from March to October. DST does save a ton of money on energy costs, so getting rid of it is not worth the supposed "convenience" of running the models at the same time every month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted March 13, 2011 Author Share Posted March 13, 2011 not really...standard time is the standard...daylight savings time is the "invention." Daylight savings time runs from March to October. DST does save a ton of money on energy costs, so getting rid of it is not worth the supposed "convenience" of running the models at the same time every month. You seem to be contradicting your self every other post, while simultaneously failing to explain why we here in the U.S. have to wait until 8 run the models. The data is available, here, in the U.S. by 7am - yes it is - at this time of year, during DST. The fact that we run the models at 8 is only because of DST, Period. This is not complicated. They can ran things at 7 if they want. anyway, I'm tired of the discussion - nothing personal. I'm off - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 You seem to be contradicting your self every other post, while simultaneously failing to explain why we here in the U.S. have to wait until 8 run the models. The data is available, here, in the U.S. by 7am - yes it is. No I am not John....Dendrite doesn't understand what you are talking about either. The data is not available by 7am in the USA during DST. The 12z balloons are launched around 1115z around the world...715am EDT....615am CDT....515am MDT...415am PDT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k*** Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 i can't wait for the 8EDT run of the GFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 You seem to be contradicting your self every other post, while simultaneously failing to explain why we here in the U.S. have to wait until 8 run the models. The data is available, here, in the U.S. by 7am - yes it is - at this time of year, during DST. The fact that we run the models at 8 is only because of DST, Period. This is not complicated. They can ran things at 7 if they want. The global RAOBS are actually run about 1hr before the 00z and 12z times, but the data has to go through QC checks. 12z for us is 7am (standard time) in the winter and 8am (daylight savings) in the summer. How is the data therefore ready for the models at 7am EDT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 You seem to be contradicting your self every other post, while simultaneously failing to explain why we here in the U.S. have to wait until 8 run the models. The data is available, here, in the U.S. by 7am - yes it is - at this time of year, during DST. The fact that we run the models at 8 is only because of DST, Period. This is not complicated. They can ran things at 7 if they want. anyway, I'm tired of the discussion - nothing personal. I'm off - This is correct. But they would have to get rid of DST so we were in standard time the entire year. You completely dismissed, like usual, the reason we have DST is to save money on energy costs. Your crusade on this relatively meaningless topic is mindboggling and grossly misinformed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larvay Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 No I am not John....Dendrite doesn't understand what you are talking about either. The data is not available by 7am in the USA during DST. The 12z balloons are launched around 1115z around the world...715am EDT....615am CDT....515am MDT...415am PDT. Too bad, Nick. Tip declared victory and went out to the garage to tune up his time machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 What in the sam hell is going on here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Blah blah blah winters over nothing much to really chat about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpickett79 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 What in the sam hell is going on here? big big elevation event coming between the 21-24'th . block buster nor'easter. book it. march goes > ave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Too bad, Nick. Tip declared victory and went out to the garage to tune up his time machine. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Down in Northampton for a Shanghai Circus performance. Cool and blustery even here on the valley floor. Best post [rom Pickles in months.lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Down in Northampton for a Shanghai Circus performance. Cool and blustery even here on the valley floor. Best post [rom Pickles in months.lol Where is the performance? I didn't even know about it. Northampton is kind of a big city for you to venture into. LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Where is the performance? I didn't even know about it. Northampton is kind of a big city for you to venture into. LOL. Big city nights.lol It was at the Academy of Music. Quite an impressive show. Amazing balance and dexterity on display. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 WOW OKX going with sunny and 58 for St Pattys Day and sunny and 63 on Friday, so much for drizzle mud and BDCF's life is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Forget the Enter the Haggis bit... Misread dpmething Rockin the bagpipes Spent the afternoon at Wachusett rippin up the corn. Actually went on 2 trails I had never been on due to the lack of lighting at night. Awesome fun but legs are mush No lines, up and down. Up and down More winter fun this week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman21 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 WOW OKX going with sunny and 58 for St Pattys Day and sunny and 63 on Friday, so much for drizzle mud and BDCF's life is good. OKX has "highs around 70" in some of their zones for Friday. For us it's only mid-60s. Wouldn't be shocked to break into the low-70s Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 OKX has "highs around 70" in some of their zones for Friday. For us it's only mid-60s. Wouldn't be shocked to break into the low-70s Friday. Certainly possible. I'm staying conservative now with 58. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Forget the Enter the Haggis bit... Misread dpmething Rockin the bagpipes Spent the afternoon at Wachusett rippin up the corn. Actually went on 2 trails I had never been on due to the lack of lighting at night. Awesome fun but legs are mush No lines, up and down. Up and down More winter fun this week Nice Dave, get those reps in. Nothing like having a private mountain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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