Typhoon Tip Posted March 13, 2011 Author Share Posted March 13, 2011 but they do run the system independent of our DST changes. UTC is universal...and that is what the world's models are run on. If anything should change, it should be us getting rid of DST. yea, you know - i care less for the logistical handling and more for starting the processing time at 7am 365 days of the year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 yea, you know - i care less for the logistical handling and more for starting the processing time at 7am 365 days of the year we have to wait for all the world's soundings....therefore it makes sense for all of them to be on the same time ie UTC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Aside from the one day of weenie tanning..it's a cold run with a miller-b around d8.....lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted March 13, 2011 Author Share Posted March 13, 2011 Aside from the one day of weenie tanning..it's a cold run with a miller-b around d8.....lol. Holy wow is it... Hey, check out both the CPC and CDC NAO progs - BRRRRRR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan11 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 I could deal with 200 inches. Pete may need 300 inches. What do people need 200" a year to be satisfied? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Holy wow is it... Hey, check out both the CPC and CDC NAO progs - BRRRRRR! Where were those, a month ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted March 13, 2011 Author Share Posted March 13, 2011 we have to wait for all the world's soundings....therefore it makes sense for all of them to be on the same time ie UTC. Which way does that go, anyway? I mean, when the clocks go backward in the autumn is that the rest of the world, or are we playing catch-up in the spring. I thought the clock ahead thing was a Ben Franklyn U.S. invention to help agriculture by putting more daylight on the arse end of the work day. Actually I know that to be factual.. Based upon that, it would seem even more ludicrous that model run times need to be pushed ahead in the spring. I think it is so that they can sleep in ahahahhaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Aside from the one day of weenie tanning..it's a cold run with a miller-b around d8.....lol. Yeah I think the Euro weeklies were onto something with the much below normal pattern weeks 2-4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan11 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Figures the GFS loses it on the 12Z run just as the ECM picks it up. LOL I still feel one more plow job at least post the 20th.... Aside from the one day of weenie tanning..it's a cold run with a miller-b around d8.....lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Which way does that go, anyway? I mean, when the clocks go backward in the autumn is that the rest of the world, or are we playing catch-up in the spring. I thought the clock ahead thing was a Ben Franklyn U.S. invention to help agriculture by putting more daylight on the arse end of the work day. Actually I know that to be factual.. Based upon that, it would seem even more ludicrous that model run times need to be pushed ahead in the spring. I think it is so that they can sleep in ahahahhaha DST is putting us further ahead of UTC time. There's really nothing that can be done about it...the only way to reconcile the difference is to do away with DST. No one gets to sleep in.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Yeah I think the Euro weeklies were onto something with the much below normal pattern weeks 2-4 Whether it means snow or not...who knows. Sort of nice seeing the NAO tank, but after the 15th..snow chances start to fall off a cliff...especially on the CP. I'd rather see something in the cards before 3/25 or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan11 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Well it's not too late. History is cluttered with good snowstorms from March 20 to the first week of April. After that all this "only Pete and NNE will get snow" stuff might be warranted.... Where were those, a month ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan11 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Well we are only four hours behind UTC (GMT) now I think eh.... 12Z is 8 AM Eastern DST here now.. .. DST is putting us further ahead of UTC time. There's really nothing that can be done about it...the only way to reconcile the difference is to do away with DST. No one gets to sleep in.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Well it's not too late. History is cluttered with good snowstorms from March 20 to the first week of April. After that all this "only Pete and NNE will get snow" stuff might be warranted.... Yeah we've had some good ones. I agree with Will, in that the -PNA is kicking our ass. We have to see it weaken a bit. The -NAO would help, as it still correlates to troughing. I'm still not all that optimistic, but these things sometimes may be tough to see coming, post 7 days or so. It's mid March, so I'll keep my eye out. No need to break out the shorts yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted March 13, 2011 Author Share Posted March 13, 2011 DST is putting us further ahead of UTC time. There's really nothing that can be done about it...the only way to reconcile the difference is to do away with DST. No one gets to sleep in.... I disagree with blanket statements like there's nothing that can be done. Like, President O'bama calls all the NCEP offices and says, run everything at 7am or I'm freezing your salaries. end of discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ma blizzard Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 What do people need 200" a year to be satisfied? cause 90% of people (snow wennies) think they live on the Tug hill plateau or in Sapporo Japan haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 I disagree with blanket statements like there's nothing that can be done. Like, President O'bama calls all the NCEP offices and says, run everything at 7am or I'm freezing your salaries. end of discussion. this is really dumb, john...I hope you're being facetious. The rest of the world runs on UTC time...why the heck would you want our models to not contain soundings from all the other countries in the world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chim chiminey Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 is there something in the way the 12z GFS is run that would make it lose the strong -nao the last few runs were showing? is there an online resource that outlines how each run is derived? or are they identical algorithms and only differ given the initial conditions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted March 13, 2011 Author Share Posted March 13, 2011 this is really dumb, john...I hope you're being facetious. The rest of the world runs on UTC time...why the heck would you want our models to not contain soundings from all the other countries in the world? I'm not sure what you are talking about then: Are you saying that the rest of the world is 7am and we are now 8, or are you saying that the world is always 8, and we were 7 am and out of sinc with them. I'm not sure what you are saying now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 I'm not sure what you are talking about then: Are you saying that the rest of the world is 7am and we are now 8, or are you saying that the world is always 8, and we were 7 am and out of sinc with them. I'm not sure what you are saying now. since 12z is now 8am DST...not 7am...if we ran the 12z models at 7am DST...we would not have any sounding data from other countries besides ours. We have to "wait" an hour for the world data to come in. Other countries that do not have DST do not have this issue, they have models available at the same time all year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted March 13, 2011 Author Share Posted March 13, 2011 since 12z is now 8am DST...not 7am...if we ran the 12z models at 7am DST...we would not have any sounding data from other countries besides ours. We have to "wait" an hour for the world data to come in. Other countries that do not have DST do not have this issue, they have models available at the same time all year. Yeah, I see what you are saying... But my point does change... The solution has 2 ways then: either do like you say, and do away with DST; or, do like I originally said, and run the whole thing independent of it - the issue would be getting the whole global Meteorological community to do the same. I think the latter is doable and should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 LOL..that is plain dumb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Yeah, I see what you are saying... But my point does change... The solution has 2 ways then: either do like you say, and do away with DST; or, do like I originally said, and run the whole thing independent of it - the issue would be getting the whole global Meteorological community to do the same. I think the latter is doable and should be. Why would the world want to change for the "benefit" of people in the eastern USA, for your convenience? The WMO has no real need or reason to placate to the USA's rather archaic practice of DST time change...it's our problem, not theirs. If you really call it a problem... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larvay Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Yeah, I see what you are saying... But my point does change... The solution has 2 ways then: either do like you say, and do away with DST; or, do like I originally said, and run the whole thing independent of it - the issue would be getting the whole global Meteorological community to do the same. I think the latter is doable and should be. You should have just said you were being facetious. I almost would have believed you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 I could deal with 200 inches. Pete may need 300 inches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted March 13, 2011 Author Share Posted March 13, 2011 Why would the world want to change for the "benefit" of people in the eastern USA, for your convenience? The WMO has no real need or reason to placate to the USA's rather archaic practice of DST time change...it's our problem, not theirs. If you really call it a problem... I think you are confused. ...perhaps by my meaning, I am not sure... The bottom line is that it would be better for all if the models were run at 7am everywhere, period. Not sure what the reason for arguing against that. It has nothing to do with benefiting any local bias in the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted March 13, 2011 Author Share Posted March 13, 2011 You should have just said you were being facetious. I almost would have believed you. What?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 I think you are confused. ...perhaps by my meaning, I am not sure... The bottom line is that it would be better for all if the models were run at 7am everywhere, period. Not sure what the reason for arguing against that. It has nothing to do with benefiting any local bias in the matter. Then do away with DST time. If you change the rest of meteorological world to placate to our system...you cause other countries to have to deal with the 1 hour time change each year...which isn't fair at all...it's not their system that is the cause of this so-called "problem," but ours. Because the world and the models run on UTC time, John, not our local time. You don't really get it, do you? You can't make it so that the models run at 7 am, everywhere. There are time zones...and DST..jesus christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 lol Pete... I have that same image from Mammoth Lakes saved on my computer. Its still snowing up here, although the snowpack is quite "moist" now. Temp still hasn't dropped enough below 1,500-2,000ft to freeze it up. We've been 32-37F for like the last 48 hours with very little diurnal swing. New snow past 24 hours for the higher elevations of the central/northern Greens (from south to north along the Spine): Killington: 4" Sugarbush: 9" (2" base) MRG: 4" Bolton Valley: 4" Stowe: 3" Smuggs: 3" Jay Peak: 2" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinch Leatherwood Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 You can tell winter is dying when you guys get into it over daylight savings time. Normal spring day, 51. White cliff stuffed with golfers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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