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Possible Severe Threat on November 30th 2010


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Very impressive winds just off the surface, 75mph at 850mb and 60mph at 925mb on the NAM. The GFS is even more impressive with the small pockets of >70mph winds at 925mb. The cons would appear to be the 9Z - 14Z frontal timing and the sort'a warmish look to the mid levels.

Just ran across a 18z GFS reading out of KMDT (Harrisburg,PA) that had 69kts @ 940 mb level. (via BUFKIT):lmao:

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Seriously i think we could be looking at a threat for numerous quick hitting tornadoes

That Sounding from Harrisburg is stronger than what it was in 2006

We could see a Day 3 Slight Risk tomorrow morning

SPC would never dare issue a slight risk on D3 in DECEMBER in the Northeast.. Too much bust potential..

But you have to admit.. the kinematics on this thing is HUGE!

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Seriously i think we could be looking at a threat for numerous quick hitting tornadoes

That Sounding from Harrisburg is stronger than what it was in 2006

We could see a Day 3 Slight Risk tomorrow morning

Dec 1 2006 had a different 500 pattern. We don't have that much of a kicker here.

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/exper/archive/events/061201/index.html

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It could be pretty awesome. Possibly stronger than the last event, but the action will likely not go as far north.

Plenty of Gulf feed, very strong winds aloft, rapidly strengthening LL jet leading up to when it impacts our region.

Unlike the last severe event, CAD will be more prevalent with this system, so northern extent of the severe will be the key thing to watch. Right now it appears as though northern MD will be on the cusp. I'll do a full write-up tomorrow morning once we get a better idea on where the system's warm sector is going to set up. Northern trend FTW. Full write-up will likely be at 40S only :P

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.LONG TERM /TUESDAY THROUGH SATURDAY/...

HIGHLY AMPLIFIED UPR TROF OVER CNTRL CONUS BY TUE MRNG SLOWLY WILL

BCM NEGATIVELY TILTED THRU TUE AFTN. PCPN TUE WILL BE DOMINATED BY

WARM AIR ADVCTN AS SGFNT FORCING FOR ASCENT RMNS W OF RGN AND FCST

AREA RMNS UNDER SUBSIDENT RIGHT EXIT RGN OF MID-LVL JET.

SFC TROF BGNS TO ORGANIZE LATE TUE AFTN ACRS WRN ZONES AS UPR TROF

BGNS TO LIFT NEWD. INCRG LIFT AND LOW-LVL FOCUS MAY ENHANCE PCPN

AMTS ACRS WRN ZONES LATE TUE AFTN.

AS SYSTEM NEARS AND SFC TROF STRENGTHENS TUE NGT...BNDRY LYR MSTR

/IN THE FORM OF DEWPTS IN EXCESS OF 55 DEG F/ WILL BE DRAWN INTO

THE ERN ZONES. DESPITE THIS ANOMALOUSLY HIGH MSTR...WARM AIR

ADVCTN ALOFT WILL LMT DVLPMT OF SFC-BASED INSTBY. NEVERTHELESS...

MODEST AMTS OF ELEVATED INSTBY XPCD IN HIGHLY SHEARED ENVIRONMENT.

AS FORCING INCRS AND SFC TROF MAKES EWD PROGRESS...PCPN MODE XPCD

TO BCM MORE CNVCTV LATE TUE NGT AND EARLY WED MRNG. THERE IS A

NON-NEGLIGIBLE PSBLTY OF SVR WX /DMGG WIND GUSTS AND TORNADOES/

LATE TUE NGT-EARLY WED MRNG...BUT IT IS BY NO MEANS A HIGH-

CONFIDENCE FCST GIVEN LKLY STABILITY OF BNDRY LYR.

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Exclusiveness FTW?

eh.. i dunno. im not going to contribute both places if others cant figure out how to themselves. not like that's a huge loss for them i suppose. anyway, no reason to derail this thread...

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Has the 12/1/2006 feel (slightly) to it. That was my first weenie tag over on eastern :arrowhead:

I remember that date quite well myself... here is a still from a video I took out in Albany that night:

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Exclusiveness FTW?

Gotta hold out for incentives! :D As I said before on 40S, I'm not typically one to post the same thing on multiple forums. The write-up will come tomorrow once this thing actually starts to develop over the Plains and we can get a better grasp to where the severe action is going to set up. If there really is high demand for it, I could post the full thing in both places.

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:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

My irony meter just broke.

good use of smiley but somewhat predictable ... i didnt abandon 40S, have been part of things going on there... have no interest in battling either. just expressing a thought.

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If you're talking about people west of the Appalachians (up through TN) getting severe on Monday night, that I could believe.

Ellinwood, in all respect, i do think this looks a little bit like December 1st 2006, i remember there were tornado watches in ohio and western appalachians, where temps were in the 50s and no cape was present, just great dynamics

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Ellinwood, in all respect, i do think this looks a little bit like December 1st 2006, i remember there were tornado watches in ohio and western appalachians, where temps were in the 50s and no cape was present, just great dynamics

All surface temps are not equal. You'll have a sizable inversion in the mid-levels that convection won't be able to crack.

Here's your comparison:

Surface map from the 2006 11/30 - 12/1 severe event that hit Ohio:

namussfc2006120100.gif

Note the huge warm sector and no presence of strong CAD.

Here's the HPC forecast for Monday evening:

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Note how far south the warm front actually is. North of that warm front, you're not gonna get a severe outbreak.

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The HPC forecast just dosen't seem right , at this point, the models are all just wacked out

here's 00z forecast, i think the warm front will be more north

Opinions are all good and fine but you think you know better than HPC? :arrowhead::rolleyes:

Please give reasoning (scientific reasoning) when claiming the HPC is wrong.

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Afternoon Update:

.LONG TERM /TUESDAY NIGHT THROUGH SUNDAY/...

-- Changed Discussion --THE COLD FRONT WILL SLOWLY PASS THROUGH THE AREA TUESDAY NIGHT INTO

WEDNESDAY. A STRONG LOW-LEVEL JET IS EXPECTED ALONG AND AHEAD OF THE

FRONT. WIND SPEEDS OVER 50 KNOTS ARE EXPECTED JUST A COUPLE THOUSAND

FEET FROM THE SURFACE. DESPITE AN UNFAVORABLE DIRECTION OF THE

SURFACE WIND...GUSTY WINDS ARE POSSIBLE ACROSS THE CWA TUESDAY NIGHT

AHEAD OF THE FRONT DUE TO A STRONG PRESSURE GRADIENT. WIND GUSTS

OVER 30 MPH ARE POSSIBLE.

STRONG FRONTOGENETIC FORCING ASSOCIATED WITH THE FRONT THE FRONT

ALONG WITH UNUSUALLY WARM AND MOIST AIR WILL LEAD TO A PERIOD OF

POSSIBLE HEAVY RAIN TUESDAY NIGHT INTO WEDNESDAY MORNING.

PRECIPITABLE WATERS ARE PROGGED TO BE OVER TWO STANDARD DEVIATIONS

ABOVE NORMAL. DESPITE HIGH FLASH FLOOD GUIDANCE AND THE SYSTEM BEING

PROGRESSIVE...LOCALLY HEAVY AMOUNTS OF RAIN ARE POSSIBLE IN A SHORT

PERIOD OF TIME. THIS CAUSES A CONCERN FOR FLASH FLOODING. DEWPOINTS

IN THE UPPER 50S AND LOWER 60S AHEAD OF THE FRONT DOES CAUSE A

CONCERN FOR POSSIBLE SEVERE T-STORMS. HOWEVER...LATEST FORECAST

SOUNDINGS CONTINUE TO SUGGEST THAT PLENTY OF WARM AIR ALOFT WILL

PREVENT T-STORMS FROM BECOMING ROOTED WITHIN THE BOUNDARY LAYER.

WILL CONTINUE TO MONITOR OVER THE NEXT COUPLE DAYS...EVEN WITH

LIMITED INSTABILITY GUSTY WINDS ARE POSSIBLE DUE TO SUCH STRONG

WINDS JUST A COUPLE THOUSAND FEET FROM THE SURFACE.

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