LizardMafia Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 See what you get for rooting against snow? On second thought, we may have a plan of attack for next winter. That's what I was thinking.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrick7032 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 how many different criteria are there Depends on the region....whopps scratch that....guess they changed that....just caught a revision since I interned in 02....listed below are the definitions for ALL WINTER WARNING CRITERIA....start looking after page 5. http://www.nws.noaa.gov/directives/sym/pd01005013c022003curr.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Well, there is a nice band moving through your area... ...aloft. lol. Yeah there's nothing better than invigorating virga storm. Even the radar returns in central Illinois look like ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csnavywx Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Well, there is a nice band moving through your area... ...aloft. That's what -30C dewpoints at 850 will do for ya. This is another reason I like cold systems better. Takes far less to saturate the low layers when they're 20F colder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrick7032 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Winter Storm Warning URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DETROIT/PONTIAC MI 424 PM EST THU FEB 24 2011 MIZ076-082-083-250615- /O.UPG.KDTX.WS.A.0003.110225T0400Z-110225T1600Z/ /O.NEW.KDTX.WS.W.0004.110225T0700Z-110225T1600Z/ WAYNE-LENAWEE-MONROE- INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...DETROIT...ADRIAN...MONROE 424 PM EST THU FEB 24 2011 ...WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT FROM 2 AM TO 11 AM EST FRIDAY... THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN DETROIT/PONTIAC HAS ISSUED A WINTER STORM WARNING FOR HEAVY SNOW...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM 2 AM TO 11 AM EST FRIDAY. THE WINTER STORM WATCH IS NO LONGER IN EFFECT. IMPACTS... * ROADS WILL BECOME SNOW COVERED FOR THE FRIDAY MORNING RUSH HOUR. * ROADWAYS WILL BE SLICK WITH SLOW AND HAZARDOUS CONDITIONS EXPECTED DURING THE PEAK TRAVEL TIME. HAZARDOUS WEATHER... * SNOW WILL DEVELOP AFTER MIDNIGHT TONIGHT...BECOMING HEAVY AT TIMES BY EARLY FRIDAY MORNING. THE SNOW IS EXPECTED TO TAPER OFF DURING THE MID MORNING HOURS AND END AROUND 11 AM. * TOTAL SNOWFALL ACCUMULATIONS OF 3 TO 6 INCHES ARE EXPECTED OVER A SHORT DURATION. THE BULK OF THE SNOWFALL WILL OCCUR BETWEEN 3 AM AND 9 AM. * VISIBILITIES WILL BE RESTRICTED BELOW A HALF MILE AT TIMES IN FALLING AND BLOWING SNOW. SNOWFALL RATES MAY EXCEED ONE INCH PER HOUR AT TIMES. * NORTHERLY WINDS WILL INCREASE LATE TONIGHT WITH GUSTS TO 30 MPH CONTINUING INTO FRIDAY MORNING. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrick7032 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Winter Storm A snow accumulation of at least 5 inches in 6 hours, in combination with one of the following: rain, freezing rain, sleet, wind, blowing snow or cold (wind chill). Per DTX web page http://www.crh.noaa....nitions/wsw.php Thanks Sparty....couldn't find that link....and when I saw the map from Central Region I thought maybe it wasn't updated....thought they had updated it but it's been a few years since I was an intern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 1" per hour snow at MCI in the past 2 hours. Looks like 6.0-6.5" amounts being the top in the EAX CWA so far. METAR KMCI 250153Z 01015KT 1/4SM R19R/2200V3500FT +SN FZFG BKN001 OVC008 M03/M03 A2992 RMK AO2 PK WND 02027/0137 SLP139 SNINCR 1/4 P0006 T10281033 $ METAR KMCI 250253Z COR 36014KT 1/4SM R19R/4000VP6000FT +SN BR BKN003 OVC008 M03/M03 A2995 RMK AO2 SNINCR 1/5 SFC VIS 3/4 SLP150 P0014 60027 T10281033 51021 $ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Depends on the region....whopps scratch that....guess they changed that....just caught a revision since I interned in 02....listed below are the definitions for ALL WINTER WARNING CRITERIA....start looking after page 5. http://www.nws.noaa....c022003curr.pdf Question (not specifically at you. Anyone can answer): why is the territory covered by a given NWS WFO frequently incongruous with the state boundaries? For example, wouldn't it make more sense to have the bottom tier in MI under GRR's jurisdiction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toronto blizzard Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 1z HRRR looks to be coming in more robust for Toronto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 I have a North Wind... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OHSnow Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Here she comes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrick7032 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Question (not specifically at you. Anyone can answer): why is the territory covered by a given NWS WFO frequently incongruous with the state boundaries? For example, wouldn't it make more sense to have the bottom tier in MI under GRR's jurisdiction? Maybe Ocean if he is on can answer, but from what I remember when I interned that issue is related to radar coverage....basically the radar can't "effectively" see beyond 150 miles for warning purposes....I could be wrong since it has been a while (until I begin as an employee in less than 3 weeks) but from what I remember back then that is how it was decided/explained to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OHSnow Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Heavy virga breaking out over Indiana and Illinois. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Here she comes... Wheres your Location? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Organizing Low Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 He works at DTX. I think he'd know you 'tard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Heavy virga breaking out over Indiana and Illinois. Nothing is reaching the ground in Northern Indiana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Hmm, flakes are falling here right now...very lightly...despite less than stellar radar returns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Wheres your Location? Trollville USA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Rent Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 SN in Anderson. Falling for 25 min now. Already dusting on cars and parking lots. Vis about 1/2. Strong W winds. Car says 33*. Sent from my Droid using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 I think this storm is a flat out Miss... just my opion You think this storm is a flat out miss for DTW? Wow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OHweather Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Nothing is reaching the ground in Northern Indiana Hence "heavy virga" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrick7032 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Nothing is reaching the ground in Northern Indiana No surprise there as in this type of setup in the deformation area with the dry air feed it usually takes about 2 to 4 hours of returns to saturate the column depending on the depth/degree of dry air, strength of forcing, slantwise instability potential, static stability, omegas, etc. Once you see the "doughnut hole" then you know you're getting close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Indy has turned over to a PLRA mix. SPECI KIND 250314Z 05015G22KT 5SM PLRA BR OVC012 01/M01 A2974 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Trollville USA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowMeHunter Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 GFS just a steaming pile and was still showing me getting 1-2" at 12z while the euro continued its cutting back on the north side of the system from last night to basically nothing at 12z. Euro might have been to far north but even the GFS caved to it almost after it was lost south and east for days on end. Sounds like all systems go down in LAF with rain changing to a heavy plastering as we thought Good luck to all in the systems path.. What a almost perfect share the wealth winter - love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 You think this storm is a flat out miss for DTW? Wow... Sometimes they just miss... I think the majority of the snow will stay south of 94.2-3", My area north of 59 1" or less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Organizing Low Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 btw, congrats to all those getting snow! IN and OH special shoutout !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastFromTheEast Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Trollville USA Population: 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo6899 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Thanks Sparty....couldn't find that link....and when I saw the map from Central Region I thought maybe it wasn't updated....thought they had updated it but it's been a few years since I was an intern. I thought they got rid of heavy snow warnings? Think that link needs to be updated but the WSW criteria is the same. As far as this system is concerned, with the 5-6 decent systems we have had this year dry air really wasn't much of a problem. They have all been pretty cold systems too with very little rain. I have noticed over the years that these wetter warmer systems have a harder time of overcoming dry air to the north more than the colder systems. I thought it would be the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrick7032 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 You think this storm is a flat out miss for DTW? Wow... I don't think it will be a miss....I haven't been on here or looking at data long as I have been reading training material for my new job....but just quick glancing at the data for our area I can see something like 2.4 at PTK...3.5 at Troy....4.2 at metro 5.1 SE part of Wayne County to about 6.0 at Temperance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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