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Feb 21/22 PDIII Junior Model/Forecast Discussion


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All this DT talk... gave me the inkling that I might find something fun in his blog. I was not disappointed. Thanks Ian et al for the good laugh. I'll reserve anything else for after the storm verifies.

I'll just go ahead and put this here since it stands out in his blog:

Link: http://www.wxrisk.co...d-to-calm-down/

"Two warm"? Well hell, we all know snows falls at "one warm" or lower :weight_lift:

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NW NJ which is in the metro NY area had 4-8" of snow in a large area, and that is only 30-40 miles away from NYC

Right-- my point was that he made it sound like the city and the entire region over-performed again. They didn't.... north central NJ and the city itself were on the low end of the forecast, with parts of NJ that were under the WWA not verifying the advisory.

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Right-- my point was that he made it sound like the city and the entire region over-performed again. They didn't.... north central NJ and the city itself were on the low end of the forecast, with parts of NJ that were under the WWA not verifying the advisory.

I agree they didnt over perform but what fell was right in the realm of what was issued.

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i've wondered that too .. i guess it's a more north version. plus i wasnt here in 1999 so i dont really know how it played out.

From http://www.erh.noaa.gov/lwx/Historic_Events/va-winters.htm

Other types of weather systems generally do not cause major problems for Virginia. Storms such as the "Alberta Clipper" (a fast moving storm from the Alberta, Canada region), or a cold front sweeping through from the west, generally do not bring more than 1 to 4 inches of snow in a narrow 50 to 60 mile-wide band. Sometimes, the high pressure and cold arctic air that follow in the wake of a "clipper" becomes the initial set up for the "nor'easter." In very rare cases, elements combine to produce very localized heavy snow without any fronts or storm centers nearby. These events are nearly impossible to forecast with any accuracy. One such event occurred in Northern Virginia on March 9, 1999. An unexpected 9 to 12 inches of snow fell in a very narrow band through a very heavily populated and well traveled corridor (Winchester to Middleburg to Fairfax to Alexandria).

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Hires WRFs seem to be fairly representative of the NAM and GFS (if you toss out those super-hi lollipops in the NMM). Between 0.4-0.7" of QPF for much of the area.

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/hiresw/12/images/hiresw_p12_024l.gif -- NMM. 850s drop below 0 for us around hr 14... hr 18 most of us are below -6c 850s on the NMM

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/hiresw/12/images/hiresw_p24_027m.gif -- ARW. 850s drop below 0 for us also around hr 14... hr 18 most of us are below -6c 850s on the ARW.

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http://www.nco.ncep....sw_p12_024l.gif -- NMM. 850s drop below 0 for us around hr 14... hr 18 most of us are below -6c 850s on the NMM

http://www.nco.ncep....sw_p24_027m.gif -- ARW. 850s drop below 0 for us also around hr 14... hr 18 most of us are below -6c 850s on the ARW.

ARW looks right on the money based on the other guidance. NMM looks high. The temps are more believable though and it's good they're colder.

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ARW looks right on the money based on the other guidance. NMM looks high. The temps are more believable though and it's good they're colder.

Agree. 850s seems to be consistently between-5 to -7 on both of them for the event, which is nice. Barring any warm layers, are we still talking about SR's 10:1? Or are we a bit higher/lower?

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AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BALTIMORE MD/WASHINGTON DC

116 PM EST MON FEB 21 2011

.SYNOPSIS...

-- Changed Discussion --LOW PRESSURE OVER THE MIDWEST WILL MOVE EAST ALONG A COLD FRONT

THAT HAS BEEN DROPPING SOUTH ACROSS THE REGION. RAIN CHANGING TO

A WINTRY MIX...THEN SNOW IS EXPECTED TONIGHT. CANADIAN HIGH PRESSURE

BUILDS SOUTHWARD MIDWEEK BEFORE LOW PRESSURE IMPACTS THE MID-

ATLANTIC STATES LATE THURSDAY INTO FRIDAY.-- End Changed Discussion --

&&

.NEAR TERM /THROUGH TONIGHT/...

-- Changed Discussion --RAIN LATER THIS AFTERNOON...CHANGING TO A WINTRY MIX THIS EVENING...THEN

SNOW TONIGHT.

SURFACE COLD FRONT HAS PASSED KCHO...WHICH REACHED 70F AT

11:46AM...BEFORE THE FRONT ARRIVED /IT WAS DOWN TO 53 AT THE 1PM

OB/. NARROW SWATH OF RAIN AT THE LOW LEVEL COLD FRONTAL BOUNDARY

/A LITTLE NORTH OF THE SFC FRONT/ TRACKING SOUTH /LWX ONLY

RECEIVED A TRACE OF RAIN...UP TO A COUPLE HUNDREDTHS POSSIBLE/. SOME

BROKEN CLOUDS BEHIND THE FRONTAL CLOUD BANDS...WITH TEMPERATURES

MODERATING INTO THE LOW 40S ACROSS THE CENTRAL CWA /BALT-WASH AND WEST/.

THIS BOUNDARY EXTENDS WEST ACROSS THE MIDWEST STATES WITH SFC LOW

OVER SRN IL AND A FILLING UPPER LOW OVER SD. A STRONGER UPPER LOW

IS OVER MAINE...WITH A 1030MB SFC HIGH OVER NRN ONTARIO. THIS SFC

HIGH WILL NOSE SOUTH ACROSS THE MID ATLANTIC TODAY AS THE MIDWEST

SFC LOW APPROACHES.

MAIN SLUG OF PRECIP NOW OVER IN/OH...AHEAD OF THE SFC LOW. THIS

PRECIP...ALONG WITH THE COOLING LOW LEVELS IS WHAT WILL BRING A

WINTRY MIX...THEN SNOW TO THE REGION TONIGHT. WITH THE COLD AIR

MOVING SOUTH...PRECIP CHANGEOVER IS EXPECTED TO BE FROM NORTH TO

SOUTH...WITH SLEET MIXING IN AROUND THE MASON-DIXON BY 6PM...THEN

MOVING SOUTH THROUGH THE REST OF THE EVENING.

MID LEVEL FLOW VEERS...CUTTING OFF WARMER SUBTROPICAL

FLOW...COOLING THE COLUMN TO ALLOW FOR ALL SNOW. THIS CHANGEOVER

TO SNOW WILL ALSO PROGRESS SOUTH THROUGH THE NIGHT. FAR SRN

PORTIONS LOOK TO ONLY MIX WITH SLEET LATE TONIGHT.

THE WINTER STORM WARNING WAS RAISED FOR NORTHERN AND WESTERN

MARYLAND...NORTHEASTERN WEST VIRGINIA...AND FREDERICK CO VA WITH

AN ADVISORY SOUTH ACROSS THE CENTRAL SHENANDOAH VALLEY AND BALT-

WASH. ADVISORY WORDING HAS GENERIC 2-5 INCHES...WITH MORE EXPECTED

NORTH THAN SOUTH. WILL NEED TO MONITOR EXPANDING WARNING /CRIT IS

5 IN/12 HRS/...LINE OF CLARKE...LOUDOUN...MONTGOMERY...HOWARD... SOUTHERN

BALTIMORE WOULD BE PRIME CANDIDATES FOR UPGRADE.

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