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Feb. 19th-22nd Winter Storm Part 2


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Yeah I agree--the surface low starts out a tick weaker than really ramps up. Even small errors in the analysis and that low could pull farther NW similar to the GEM.

Baro, does it look any better for snow in parts of NE MN if this thing ticks NW just a bit more?

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I thought i've heard you on station WNAX out of Yankton, SD before...anyway, good to see you on the forum.

yea, i'm on there.

but back to this storm, let's see mike sidel now is up here in the 651-612 for TWC.

and as i take a closer look at a comparison between the NAM and the R-GEM, the main synoptic difference i am seeing attm is that the R-gem is keeping part of the 500 low closed off by t=48 compared to the NAM opening up the low at the same timeframe, and it looks like both models are consistent in those solutions, looking back at past runs quickly. what's the consensus in here? the 500 low opening up or remaining behind and closed off?

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yea, i'm on there.

but back to this storm, let's see mike sidel now is up here in the 651-612 for TWC.

and as i take a closer look at a comparison between the NAM and the R-GEM, the main synoptic difference i am seeing attm is that the R-gem is keeping part of the 500 low closed off by t=48 compared to the NAM opening up the low at the same timeframe, and it looks like both models are consistent in those solutions, looking back at past runs quickly. what's the consensus in here? the 500 low opening up or remaining behind and closed off?

I think this storm will be much stronger than the NAM has. See SREF and RGEM. GFS took a big step towards the closed upper low RGEM while the 0Z NAM took a step back. 18Z NAM was better than the 0Z.

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Hey I expect to see pics/videos from you guys in Minnesota, Wisconsin and Michigan tomorrow and tomorrow night! :popcorn:

Our temps are right at freezing right now, so it's possible we may see a VERY brief period of freezing rain at onset. We're going to be close enough to where the warm front ends up our temps could bust hard either way tomorrow. I was pretty confident in us getting into the warm sector, but it now looks like the storm occludes earlier, which would put us very near where the warm front stalls.

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MKE making some changes based on the NAM (latest AFD)

.UPDATE...

18Z NAM AND TO A LESSER EXTENT 18Z GFS INDICATES A QUICKER

TRANSITION TO FREEZING RAIN/RAIN AS WARM NOSE ON 40 KNOT 850 MB JET

PUSHES THROUGH SOUTHERN WISCONSIN. MODELS ALSO BROUGHT LESS QPF.

FONTOGENISIS BAND IS NARROWER AND PUSHES NORTH INTO CENTRAL

WISCONSIN BY AFTERNOON.

QUICK LOOK AT 00Z NAM INDICATES A SOMEWHAT REDUCED WARM

NOSE...BUT THICKNESS STILL RISE TO ABOVE 540 INTO CENTRAL

WISCONSIN DURING THE AFTERNOON. FORECAST SOUNDINGS SHOW TEMPS

RISE ABOVE ZERO C AROUND 900 MB EVEN BEFORE SUNRISE. HOWEVER...NAM

SOUNDINGS THEN COOL TEMPERATURE PROFILES WITH EVAPORATIVE COOLING.

ADD CONVECTIVE POTENTIAL...THUNDER ALREADY OVER NORTHERN

MISSOURI...AND DESPITE WARM THICKNESS VALES TEMPERATURE PROFILE

ARE JUST BELOW FREEZING THROUGH 18Z AT MKE AND MSN. THEREFORE CANT

RULE OUT A PERIOD OF CONVECTION WITH A SNOW BURST. NEW NAM ALSO

DELAYS QPF A BIT. LESS THAN 0.25 AT MKE AND AROUND 0.25 AT MSN.

HIGHER TOTALS SOUTH...BUT THEN PROFILES ARE WARMER. THEN WHEN MAIN

PRECIP ARRIVES IN THE MKE AND MSN AREAS IT SHOULD BE MAINLY RAIN.

WILL CUT SNOWFALL AMOUNTS ACROSS SOUTH PORTIONS...BUT WILL NOT

CHANGE HEADLINES. OVER 0.50 ALONG THE ILLINOIS BORDER FROM IOWA TO

WALWORTH COUNTY...SO WHILE SNOW TOTALS MAY BE LESS...FREEZING

RAIN WILL BE AN ISSUE. BY AFTERNOON SURFACE TEMPERATURES WOULD

WARM SOUTH HALF.

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Pretty interesting update earlier this evening from DVN...

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE QUAD CITIES IA IL

845 PM CST SAT FEB 19 2011

.UPDATE...

WILL BE UPDATING FORECAST ROUGHLY WITHIN THE NEXT 30 MINUTES.

EXPECT AN INCREASED COVERAGE OF EMBEDDED THUNDERSTORM WITH HIGHER

POSSIBILITIES OF SLEET AND/OR SMALL HAIL ALONG AND ESPECIALLY

NORTH OF I-80. SOME LOCATIONS MAY SEE ENOUGH HAIL TO COVER THE

GROUND...ESPECIALLY NORTH OF I-80. IN THE STRONGEST UPDRAFTS MAY

HAVE ENOUGH EVAPORATIVE COOLING FOR BRIEF PERIODS OF LARGE...WET

SNOWFLAKES...AGAIN MAINLY NORTH OF I-80. THERE SHOULDN/T BE ENOUGH

SNOW TO FALL THAT WILL COVER THE GROUND...EXCEPT NEAR HIGHWAY 20

CORRIDOR WITH VERY LOCALIZED MINOR ACCUMULATIONS NOT OUT OF THE

QUESTION LATE TONIGHT INTO THE DAWN HOURS SUNDAY.

CONCERN EXPRESSED THE PAST TWO DAYS IS BEING CONFIRMED OF INTENSE

EVAPORATIVE COOLING ASSOCIATED WITH WARM ADVECTION PRECIPITATION.

CENTRAL AND ESPECIALLY NORTH PORTIONS OF THE AREA MAY SEE A WIDE

VARIETY OF PRECIPITATION TOWARD MIDNIGHT AND PARTICULARLY

OVERNIGHT. THIS SHOULD BE A VERY DYNAMIC EVENT. ..NICHOLS..

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I think this storm will be much stronger than the NAM has. See SREF and RGEM. GFS took a big step towards the closed upper low RGEM while the 0Z NAM took a step back. 18Z NAM was better than the 0Z.

just saw the GFS and it's hybriding some type of semi-closed upper low a la the canadian global run.

and looking at the UA analyses real quickly as well as the latest WV imagery, it looks like the r-gem is the closest so far with the 500 low coming onshore just south of SFO with the NAM 2nd closest and the GFS in 3rd place, comparing current time to the 06Z 500 panels.

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Pretty interesting update earlier this evening from DVN...

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE QUAD CITIES IA IL

845 PM CST SAT FEB 19 2011

.UPDATE...

WILL BE UPDATING FORECAST ROUGHLY WITHIN THE NEXT 30 MINUTES.

EXPECT AN INCREASED COVERAGE OF EMBEDDED THUNDERSTORM WITH HIGHER

POSSIBILITIES OF SLEET AND/OR SMALL HAIL ALONG AND ESPECIALLY

NORTH OF I-80. SOME LOCATIONS MAY SEE ENOUGH HAIL TO COVER THE

GROUND...ESPECIALLY NORTH OF I-80. IN THE STRONGEST UPDRAFTS MAY

HAVE ENOUGH EVAPORATIVE COOLING FOR BRIEF PERIODS OF LARGE...WET

SNOWFLAKES...AGAIN MAINLY NORTH OF I-80. THERE SHOULDN/T BE ENOUGH

SNOW TO FALL THAT WILL COVER THE GROUND...EXCEPT NEAR HIGHWAY 20

CORRIDOR WITH VERY LOCALIZED MINOR ACCUMULATIONS NOT OUT OF THE

QUESTION LATE TONIGHT INTO THE DAWN HOURS SUNDAY.

CONCERN EXPRESSED THE PAST TWO DAYS IS BEING CONFIRMED OF INTENSE

EVAPORATIVE COOLING ASSOCIATED WITH WARM ADVECTION PRECIPITATION.

CENTRAL AND ESPECIALLY NORTH PORTIONS OF THE AREA MAY SEE A WIDE

VARIETY OF PRECIPITATION TOWARD MIDNIGHT AND PARTICULARLY

OVERNIGHT. THIS SHOULD BE A VERY DYNAMIC EVENT. ..NICHOLS..

Was just about to post this lol.. Looks like you might see a brief period of wintry wx..

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