Rainshadow Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 I thought it was going to be day 4 onward. I agree...let HPC take it over. I figure some day soon we'll go on beyond day 7. We pretty much used to run with HPC guidance when their and our forecasts went out from days 3 to 5, I've gone back and forth with this in my own head, but more times than not I can't do better than them. They were right about today when I was long term guy last weekend; going to leave mex mos in the mud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isohume Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 I figure some day soon we'll go on beyond day 7. We pretty much used to run with HPC guidance when their and our forecasts went out from days 3 to 5, I've gone back and forth with this in my own head, but more times than not I can't do better than them. They were right about today when I was long term guy last weekend; going to leave mex mos in the mud. Oh I don't know about them being right more often or not. I've seen their grids suck pretty bad at times and I've wondered how they came up with them. I just want them to take on the process is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wall_cloud Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Oh I don't know about them being right more often or not. I've seen their grids suck pretty bad at times and I've wondered how they came up with them. I just want them to take on the process is all. as long as I can do better than them (which will likely be a long time) I want to keep them. Our citizen's deserve the best product. I also loathe the idea of having to answer questions from the public/emergency managers about the forecast for next weekend when I have nothing to do with that forecast. Will I have the ability to say, you need to call HPC and ask them? Otherwise, my own personal forecast may be WAY different than the official forecast. Or do we say, the forecast says "XYZ" but I think "ABC"? That's a serious problem. That is also an issue for coastal offices with hurricane forecasts but luckily I don't have to worry about that where I am now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isohume Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 as long as I can do better than them (which will likely be a long time) I want to keep them. Our citizen's deserve the best product. I also loathe the idea of having to answer questions from the public/emergency managers about the forecast for next weekend when I have nothing to do with that forecast. Will I have the ability to say, you need to call HPC and ask them? Otherwise, my own personal forecast may be WAY different than the official forecast. Or do we say, the forecast says "XYZ" but I think "ABC"? That's a serious problem. That is also an issue for coastal offices with hurricane forecasts but luckily I don't have to worry about that where I am now. Yeah I like doing the ext range forecast too. It has unique challenges. That's true about the media and it would be a hassle trying to describe or defend someone else's fcst. We have a couple media folks that fancy themselves investigative reporters and as soon as they hear something like PNA or AO, they call up looking for their unique angle. A little information is a dangerous thing...and for us to be out of the fcst process in the ext range would probably end up biting us. I doubt HPC wants 500 calls a day from all around the country anyway. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainshadow Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 A two week continuing resolution passed the house, so the eventual outcome has been delayed somewhat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormguy80 Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 What exactly does that mean...basically nothing other than that the status quo continues for two weeks while they continue to hash it out? A two week continuing resolution passed the house, so the eventual outcome has been delayed somewhat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isohume Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 A two week continuing resolution passed the house, so the eventual outcome has been delayed somewhat. Thank God...I won't have to sell my cat now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 What exactly does that mean...basically nothing other than that the status quo continues for two weeks while they continue to hash it out? It means no government shut down for an additional two weeks, and for us in the NWS, that means we'll still get paid on time during those two weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 I noticed this was de-stickied, but I'm not sure it should have been... HR-1 still has to be debated since it still is in effect and would still result in major cuts if enacted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainshadow Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 What exactly does that mean...basically nothing other than that the status quo continues for two weeks while they continue to hash it out? My assumption is that the Senate will agree to this and thus the government is funded for an additional two weeks. It is good news because this pushes any government shutdown closer to tax return season and the tourist season in Washington DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocoAko Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 My assumption is that the Senate will agree to this and thus the government is funded for an additional two weeks. It is good news because this pushes any government shutdown closer to tax return season and the tourist season in Washington DC. Good assumption. http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/03/02/budget.vote/index.html?on.cnn=1 Washington (CNN) -- The Senate passed legislation Wednesday extending funding for the federal government by two more weeks -- through March 18 -- while cutting $4 billion from current spending levels. The measure buys legislators more time to try to avoid a government shutdown. The Senate approved it by a 91-9 vote. Passed by the House of Representatives on Tuesday, it now advances to President Barack Obama to be signed into law. Most congressional Republicans supported the bill. Senate Democrats also overwhelmingly backed the measure, while House Democrats were more divided. Without the bill, much of the federal government would have shut down when the current spending resolution expires at midnight Friday. While Obama is expected to sign the measure, some Democrats had indicated a preference for a month-long extension while legislators work on a more comprehensive spending plan for the rest of the fiscal year, which ends September 30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isohume Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 I'm ready for my 27 day furlough. Too bad most NWS employees probably wont qualify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 I'm ready for my 27 day furlough. Too bad most NWS employees probably wont qualify. The way they've been talking (apparently that 27 day furlough is from official NOAA documents on how to handle extreme budget cuts), I think we would... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isohume Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 The way they've been talking (apparently that 27 day furlough is from official NOAA documents on how to handle extreme budget cuts), I think we would... Man I hope so. I just don't see WFO XXX backing us up for 27 days. They can barely handle one day during an AWIPS build. The last time we he had an unexpected outage...we asked XXX to back us up and their reply was..."but you have weather up there". This has been a common phrase used in jest around the office ever since. lol Besides all this...where is the extra staffing going to come from every day and every shift to back up sister offices? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainshadow Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Man I hope so. I just don't see WFO XXX backing us up for 27 days. They can barely handle one day during an AWIPS build. The last time we he had an unexpected outage...we asked XXX to back us up and their reply was..."but you have weather up there". This has been a common phrase used in jest around the office ever since. lol Besides all this...where is the extra staffing going to come from every day to back up sister offices? The furloughed office staff will be detailed to the back-up office. I'm just wondering what happens on the 28th day of that second pay period or is it the first day of the first pay period? Yeah we are not staffed or offices equipped with sufficient work stations to back each other up for too long. You'd need that 27 day furlough to recover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isohume Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 The furloughed office staff will be detailed to the back-up office. I'm just wondering what happens on the 28th day of that second pay period or is it the first day of the first pay period? Yeah we are not staffed or offices equipped with sufficient work stations to back each other up for too long. You'd need that 27 day furlough to recover. I could actually see this being considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormguy80 Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 just curious...Has this ever been done before? It seems normally when there budget problems they have hiring freezes. I'm currently trying to get into the NWS so hopefully that would not be the case. Choosing these measures (furloughs, only 1 balloon launch per day) seem pretty extreme considering it would have a big impact on the severe weather season as others have pointed out. The way they've been talking (apparently that 27 day furlough is from official NOAA documents on how to handle extreme budget cuts), I think we would... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wall_cloud Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 what happens when an office is shut down and its area is covered by a backup office, only to have technical issues themselves. Does that mean that 1 office may be doing 3 CWAs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 what happens when an office is shut down and its area is covered by a backup office, only to have technical issues themselves. Does that mean that 1 office may be doing 3 CWAs? Good question. My guess is that, assuming its available, the secondary back-up of the shut down office would take over the office that is shut down and the secondary backup of the office having technical issues would take over that office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGorse Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 what happens when an office is shut down and its area is covered by a backup office, only to have technical issues themselves. Does that mean that 1 office may be doing 3 CWAs? Good question. My guess is that, assuming its available, the secondary back-up of the shut down office would take over the office that is shut down and the secondary backup of the office having technical issues would take over that office. These could be big issues as each WFO is only configured for its primary and secondary backup offices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 These could be big issues as each WFO is only configured for its primary and secondary backup offices. From one of my favorite TV shows... GILORA: "What are the chances that both a primary system and its backup would fail at the same time?" O'BRIEN: "It's very unlikely, but in a crunch I wouldn't like to be caught without a second backup." Sorry, your comment seemed to remind me of that, since apparently we'll now need a third backup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Thunder Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 From one of my favorite TV shows... GILORA: "What are the chances that both a primary system and its backup would fail at the same time?" O'BRIEN: "It's very unlikely, but in a crunch I wouldn't like to be caught without a second backup." Sorry, your comment seemed to remind me of that, since apparently we'll now need a third backup Heaven forbid we have several offices lose communications at the same time. Like we did during Katrina here at LIX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainshadow Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 I received this e-mail today from our union today: It did not come with a press link, mods please delete if this is a violation. The Senate Appropriations Committee has released a proposed alternative to HR 1 that would make a $110 million reduction to NOAA operations for the remainder of the fiscal year, rather than the $454 million reduction approved by the House. Of the $110 million cut, $104 million is from earmarks that are no longer funded. This effectively only cuts the NOAA ORF budget by $6 million. The Senate Appropriations Committee justifies the higher funding levels for NOAA, stating in their March 4 press release, "The House cuts an additional $340 million which would threaten critical weather forecasts and warnings." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGorse Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 I received this e-mail today from our union today: It did not come with a press link, mods please delete if this is a violation. The Senate Appropriations Committee has released a proposed alternative to HR 1 that would make a $110 million reduction to NOAA operations for the remainder of the fiscal year, rather than the $454 million reduction approved by the House. Of the $110 million cut, $104 million is from earmarks that are no longer funded. This effectively only cuts the NOAA ORF budget by $6 million. The Senate Appropriations Committee justifies the higher funding levels for NOAA, stating in their March 4 press release, "The House cuts an additional $340 million which would threaten critical weather forecasts and warnings." Tony, You should be fine as the article is linked on the NWSEO (union) web site. http://www.nwseo.org/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 It's good to see the new Facebook page getting attention. http://www.facebook....193060867385939 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MN Transplant Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 The House Appropriations Committee has released their proposed cuts for the next 3-week CR which would start next Friday (http://appropriation...sRelease_id=273). Much of it seems to be fairly non-partisan stuff that OMB had already suggested cutting for next year. Of interest to science folks: Commerce/Justice/Science -$5 million – International Trade Administration – Operations and Administration -$2 million – Minority Business Development -$20 million –NIST – Scientific and Technology Research -$47 million – NIST – Research Facility Construction -$99 million – NOAA – Operations, Research, and Facilities -$18 million – NOAA – Procurement Acquisition and Construction -$185 million – State and Local Law Enforcement Assistance – Byrne projects -$91 million – Juvenile Justice Programs -$169 million – Community Oriented Policing Services – Technology projects -$25 million – Community Oriented Policing Services – Methamphetamine projects -$63 million – NASA – Cross Agency Support edit - stupid lists. Whatever, you can read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Lizard Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 I hear mention part of the proposed cuts would be a reduction in funding to the tsunami warning center in Honolulu. They don't issue many warning, must be a pretty stress free day most of the time, but on a day like today, I'm sure people are happy we have a tsunami warning service with DART buoys and the such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainshadow Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 We're working under the assumption this week that a shutdown is the more likely outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OHweather Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 We're working under the assumption this week that a shutdown is the more likely outcome. When the government shuts down does the NWS shut down too, or does it keep working due to being "essential" to day to day protection of life and property? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
das Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 We're working under the assumption this week that a shutdown is the more likely outcome. Us too but that's risk mitigation protocol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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