CAT5ANDREW Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 I got my KU book on JAN 15 2005,a week before that winters big storm.There have been so many KU storms since then,I have lost track.I cant wait until Volume 3 is released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 I got my KU book on JAN 15 2005,a week before that winters big storm.There have been so many KU storms since then,I have lost track.I cant wait until Volume 3 is released. I got volume one in November 1992...There were four KU storms the next four winters...Since 2005 we got, Feb. 2006 Dec 2009 Feb 2010 Feb 2010 Dec 2010 Jan 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikolai Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 Were 1/11 and 1/27 both KU storms, or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jconsor Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 The map for 1/27 hasn't come out yet on the NESIS site: http://www.ncdc.noaa...d-ice/nesis.php. I think it will be considered a KU storm given that there was a large area of 12"+ in the NYC and PHL areas, albeit a category 1 or low-end 2. Were 1/11 and 1/27 both KU storms, or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 The odd thing is the Feb 1-2 storm is already rated The map for 1/27 hasn't come out yet on the NESIS site: http://www.ncdc.noaa...d-ice/nesis.php. I think it will be considered a KU storm given that there was a large area of 12"+ in the NYC and PHL areas, albeit a category 1 or low-end 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 The odd thing is the Feb 1-2 storm is already rated Jan 26-27 is on there as a prelim cat 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-X Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 Jan 26-27 is on there as a prelim cat 1. Odd, the cat is so low since that's the only one that hit the whole corridor. I guess its because there werent any official 20"+ amounts. Also nice to see how they incorporated the horrendously inaccurate JFK mismeasurement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 I got volume one in November 1992...There were four KU storms the next four winters...Since 2005 we got, Feb. 2006 Dec 2009 Feb 2010 Feb 2010 Dec 2010 Jan 2011 March 2009 was also a KU storm...Long Island had a good time with it, I recall. http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/cmb/images/snow/nesis/20090301-20090303-1.59.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 March 2009 was also a KU storm...Long Island had a good time with it, I recall. http://www1.ncdc.noa...090303-1.59.jpg mby got 4" at most in March 09... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gymengineer Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 KU don't have to include the NCDC NESIS storms in their list for the Volume 3, if it ever is written. There are several NCDC NESIS storms that would have not been on the actual list, but rather been put in the "Interior" list (2/12-15/07, 3/15-18/07), "moderate" list (3/1/09), or not included at all (2/1-3/11--primarily Midwest impact) according the criteria that KU used for their original list. 1/9-13/11 might not have been included at all either, several big New England impacts, like 12/20-22/75, were not included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 A KU storm is like a storm voted into the hall of fame...baseball's hall of fame is getting watered down with borderline players and KU events are getting watered down with borderline storms...The NYC area should have it's own snowstorm hall of fame...I would nominate 12/26-27 and 1/26-27 storms to be voted in...December's is a first ballot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 A KU storm is like a storm voted into the hall of fame...baseball's hall of fame is getting watered down with borderline players and KU events are getting watered down with borderline storms...The NYC area should have it's own snowstorm hall of fame...I would nominate 12/26-27 and 1/26-27 storms to be voted in...December's is a first ballot... So you don't think Earl Combs belongs in the Hall of Fame? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isotherm Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 mby got 4" at most in March 09... March 2009 was a pretty nice storm in Monmouth, had 13.5" IMBY. Since 2005, I've had 9 storms producing 12"+, and 4 of those events were 18"+ (Jan 2005, Feb 2006, December 2009, December 2010). Remarkable stretch of big storms here over the past several years, and decade for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 So you don't think Earl Combs belongs in the Hall of Fame? For the uninitiated, Combs played for the Yankees in the twenties and thirties...a comparable contemporary would be Mickey Rivers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 KU don't have to include the NCDC NESIS storms in their list for the Volume 3, if it ever is written. There are several NCDC NESIS storms that would have not been on the actual list, but rather been put in the "Interior" list (2/12-15/07, 3/15-18/07), "moderate" list (3/1/09), or not included at all (2/1-3/11--primarily Midwest impact) according the criteria that KU used for their original list. 1/9-13/11 might not have been included at all either, several big New England impacts, like 12/20-22/75, were not included. I don't think they'd leave 1/9-13/11 out...while its true a lot of big New England-centric storms didn't make it, it was usually the storms with generally less than 18" amounts. Since Jan 12, 2011 had a large area of >20" and it didn't totally whiff the NJ/NYC area, it would probably be included. The Dec 1975 storm wasn't as prolific over most of the region as 1/12/11 was. Mar 31-Apr 1, 1997 and 2/22-28/69 are in there and they didn't give much outside of NE. But you are right that a lot of the "NESIS" storms would not be cases...including the Feb 1-2, 2011 storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 including the Feb 1-2, 2011 storm. When I read that date...my first reaction was "Do they have the right year?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 When I read that date...my first reaction was "Do they have the right year?" I mean, you throw that one in...there are at least 50 others you have to throw in ahead of it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 I mean, you throw that one in...there are at least 50 others you have to throw in ahead of it... Agreed...but I think the NESIS site has been rating every big storm since about 2006 or so...even if its impact on the northeast was fairly minimal. I do not think they have been retroactively rating storms that might beat storms like Feb 1-2, 2011. I could be wrong though. Storms like Jan 7-9, 1994 I would think should be on there in that case. But again, I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Agreed...but I think the NESIS site has been rating every big storm since about 2006 or so...even if its impact on the northeast was fairly minimal. I do not think they have been retroactively rating storms that might beat storms like Feb 1-2, 2011. I could be wrong though. Storms like Jan 7-9, 1994 I would think should be on there in that case. But again, I could be wrong. The Blizzard of 1888 is on the list. I'm sure there were plenty of entirely obscure and forgotten snowstorms from 1889 -1900 that make the 2/2011 event look like a frontal passage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrials Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 March 2009 was also a KU storm...Long Island had a good time with it, I recall. http://www1.ncdc.noa...090303-1.59.jpg Terrible typo on that map listing it as a category 4, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgerb Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Terrible typo on that map listing it as a category 4, lol Ouch. Good catch. I just let the "authorities" know. I think they'll get that corrected pretty quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBG Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 March 2009 was also a KU storm...Long Island had a good time with it, I recall. http://www1.ncdc.noa...090303-1.59.jpg I don't think March 2009 made KU status. NYC got under 10" and I don't think there was a two-city 10" plus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBG Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 A KU storm is like a storm voted into the hall of fame...baseball's hall of fame is getting watered down with borderline players and KU events are getting watered down with borderline storms...The NYC area should have it's own snowstorm hall of fame...I would nominate 12/26-27 and 1/26-27 storms to be voted in...December's is a first ballot... The 2/25-26/2010 snowicane would make the NYC Hall of Snowstorm Fame but not NESIS or KU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Odd, the cat is so low since that's the only one that hit the whole corridor. I guess its because there werent any official 20"+ amounts. Also nice to see how they incorporated the horrendously inaccurate JFK mismeasurement. That's a shame. They were much lower than any surrounding site (certainly my town and anyone around the airport), there was almost a unanimous 14"+ around the area. What an awesome 4 or so hours we had though that night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris L Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 The 2/25-26/2010 snowicane would make the NYC Hall of Snowstorm Fame but not NESIS or KU. Its a KU from a meteorological standpont. What's next the Blizzard of 1888 is not a KU? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJwinter23 Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 One thing I've noticed (and I'm sure this has gotten a lot of discussion that I've missed) with these NESIS maps is that they have underestimated amounts in the areas outside the official f6 sites. Often underestimating the areal coverage of the 20"+ amounts particularly when the PNS statements for each storm seem to support blaringly. I've at least noticed this since the Dec. 19-20 storm of 2009. Where is the swath of 20+ in southern NJ that obviously existed for that storm? Back to Baltimore/DC suburbs? Only a 10-15 incher up this way, but that would have definitely lead to a higher rating as one example. Boxing Day storm is pretty skimpy with the 20+ in NYC metro on down the Jersey Shore as well...Not to mention where are the 30"+ amounts reported widespread in the 2/5-6 event last year down in DC/Bmore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ace0927 Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 For the uninitiated, Combs played for the Yankees in the twenties and thirties...a comparable contemporary would be Mickey Rivers... was it spelled Earl"e" Combs?...also he lead off for the Murderers Row....followed by Bob Meusel, Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig and Tony Lazzeri.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 was it spelled Earl"e" Combs?...also he lead off for the Murderers Row....followed by Bob Meusel, Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig and Tony Lazzeri.... Indeed it was... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ace0927 Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Indeed it was... 46 days till the start of the season.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthShoreWx Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Point of parliamentary procedure... A storm is a KU storm if K and U decide to list it as such and/or include a case study about it in a K-U volume or other meteorological monograph. Not because we liked it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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