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Feb. 20th - ? Possible Storm


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NAM was farther S early on with the ejecting S/W but it is much more intense with the low level cyclone and the precip band is actually a tad farther N as a result. Still not buying the NAM and the way it progresses the northern stream vortex. I still believe this will come farther S than what the NAM currently has.

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NAM was farther S early on with the ejecting S/W but it is much more intense with the low level cyclone and the precip band is actually a tad farther N as a result. Still not buying the NAM and the way it progresses the northern stream vortex. I still believe this will come farther S than what the NAM currently has.

Also seems to be a good 6-12 hours slower than the GFS.

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I personally don't care much for them till we are inside of 48hrs.

Ofcourse the EPO may throw a curve ball of it's own..

That can and usually does help make up for a lacking -NAO. That places the trough further into the west/rockies vs along the coast/just offshore. Helps with digging to. So instead of systems coming out into say KS/NE ( with a +EPO/+NAO ) they end up taking the route sorta like the blizzard did out into OK/TX etc. From that point it becomes a matter of the PV/AO and exactly where that is as to how hard it cuts.

Thanks much for explaining that all to me :)

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Also seems to be a good 6-12 hours slower than the GFS.

Yeah NAM gets so amped up it slows the overall wave down as it amplifies a lot more. There is some credence for an amped solution as warm transport in the warm sector will not moderate with the lack of snowpack--but the NAM has the PV much slower than the GFS and other globals--so I don't expect this to track as far N as the NAM currently does. GFS may be a bit flat and S too--for now I am thinking more middle ground leaning heavily towards the GFS track.

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NAM was farther S early on with the ejecting S/W but it is much more intense with the low level cyclone and the precip band is actually a tad farther N as a result. Still not buying the NAM and the way it progresses the northern stream vortex. I still believe this will come farther S than what the NAM currently has.

Gotta love how the model just drives it right into that PV/system in Canada. :lol:

So yeah my hunch is it does shift south and by a bit perhaps as well. We'll see anyways.

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Gotta love how the model just drives it right into that PV/system in Canada. :lol:

So yeah my hunch is it does shift south and by a bit perhaps as well. We'll see anyways.

This should be a fun week and a half at least....after that second system gets going in the southern plains there's a third "bowling ball" heading south along the coast. I agree with the south shift but am curious how much the southern 500 ridge will impede that shift...with the high building south out of canada and that ridge staying put at 500 over the GOM region the lakes/OV may have a busy week or so.

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer//nam/00/nam_850072084_l.shtml

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer//nam/00/nam_500072084_l.shtml

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Most of this (6 hr precip) should be snow.

Anything in Southern Michigan/SW Ontario beyond then is ice/rain/drizzle,but areas along/NE of a Detroit-Big Rapids line is iffy.

http://www.twisterda...e&archive=false

It ends up extrapolating to a nice event (warning criteria?) for Toronto/SSC with 98% all snow.

http://www.twisterdata.com/index.php?prog=forecast&model=NAM&grid=221&model_yyyy=2011&model_mm=02&model_dd=18&model_init_hh=00&fhour=84&parameter=SNOWIN&level=SURFACE&unit=none&maximize=n&mode=singlemap&sounding=n&output=image&view=large&archive=false

http://www.twisterda...e&archive=false

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Thinking this has a road trip north hopefully under 75 miles if I can talk the wife in to it sun and come home monday. No way I'm sitting down here in pouring rain then dry sloot. Just don't see how we can avoid getting torched unless this really goes south to avoid the nasty waa.. just don't see any source of cold air for here in really any modeled situation right now? Euro is nice in part two put that's just a pipe dream ATM. Said I'd give it to friday night before I throw in the towel here so I'll give it a chance yet.

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SREF mean shifted drastically S in one run. Seems reasonable--NAM still playing catch-up.

15Z SREF mean:

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21Z SREF mean:

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Amazing how the models *seem* to react to the AO/NAO? Tells me the issue the models have is located in E.Canada/Greenland? I still personally like something closer to the euro vs GFS/NAM.

This should be a fun week and a half at least....after that second system gets going in the southern plains there's a third "bowling ball" heading south along the coast. I agree with the south shift but am curious how much the southern 500 ridge will impede that shift...with the high building south out of canada and that ridge staying put at 500 over the GOM region the lakes/OV may have a busy week or so.

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer//nam/00/nam_850072084_l.shtml

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer//nam/00/nam_500072084_l.shtml

Yeah it looks pretty active and all from MN to the Ohio river may be able to cash in on something out of it. One of the bonuses of having a -PNA as it tends to keep the Pacific wave train pretty active vs a +PNA/Ridge which ends up sending them to the N.PAC and having to rely on them holding some energy/moisture as they dive back south on the east side of the ridge.

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Thinking this has a road trip north hopefully under 75 miles if I can talk the wife in to it sun and come home monday. No way I'm sitting down here in pouring rain then dry sloot. Just don't see how we can avoid getting torched unless this really goes south to avoid the nasty waa.. just don't see any source of cold air for here in really any modeled situation right now? Euro is nice in part two put that's just a pipe dream ATM. Said I'd give it to friday night before I throw in the towel here so I'll give it a chance yet.

I honestly think you will have more snow than up north. We will see though.

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