earthlight Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Here's the upper air pattern on Feb 13, 2003...eight years ago today. The latest 00z GFS run from last night (00z 2/13/03) was a miss to the south and east. I'm not sure if anybody remembers what the Euro was showing at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris L Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Man, we are really re-living the past on this week! I got some great stuff on that one as well... PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE UPTON NY 1220 PM EST TUE FEB 18 2003 THE FOLLOWING IS AN UPDATED LIST OF UNOFFICIAL SNOWFALL TOTALS FOR THE PRESIDENTS DAY II STORM. MANY THANKS TO OUR SPOTTERS AND COOPERATIVE OBSERVERS FOR THEIR EFFORTS. SNOW TIME/DATE WIND LOCATION TOTAL CONNECTICUT ...FAIRFIELD... NEW FAIRFIELD 24.0 0800 PM 02/17 BROOKFIELD 22.6 FINAL BETHEL 20.7 0800 PM 02/17 DARIEN 20.0 FINAL NEW CANAAN 20.0 FINAL DANBURY 19.9 FINAL WESTPORT 19.0 FINAL BRIDGEPORT 17.0 0800 PM 02/17 NORWALK 16.0 1000 PM 02/17 ...MIDDLESEX... OLD SAYBROOK 15.7 FINAL HADDAM 15.0 FINAL PORTLAND 12.0 0600 PM 02/17 ...NEW HAVEN... WOLCOTT 24.0 FINAL BEACON FALLS 18.8 FINAL NEW HAVEN 18.5 FINAL WATERBURY 18.3 FINAL MERIDEN 18.0 FINAL NORTH BRANFORD 18.0 0830 PM 02/17 BRANFORD 17.0 1000 PM 02/17 OXFORD 16.4 1000 PM 02/17 MERIDEN 16.0 1000 PM 02/17 WEST HAVEN 16.0 FINAL MILFORD 15.0 FINAL ...NEW LONDON... PRESTON 21.0 1000 PM 02/17 MONTVILLE 19.5 1000 PM 02/17 LISBON 19.3 1000 PM 02/17 GALES FERRY 18.0 1000 PM 02/17 MONTVILLE 18.0 0730 PM 02/17 OLD LYME 18.0 0730 PM 02/17 NORWICH 17.7 FINAL COLCHESTER 17.5 FINAL NEW LONDON 16.5 0730 PM 02/17 VOLUNTOWN 16.0 1000 PM 02/17 LEDYARD 14.5 1000 PM 02/17 GROTON 14.0 FINAL MYSTIC 14.0 1000 PM 02/17 STONINGTON 13.5 1000 PM 02/17 TAFTVILLE 13.0 0730 PM 02/17 EAST LYME 10.5 0600 PM 02/17 NEW JERSEY ...BERGEN... ELMWOOD PARK 23.0 1000 PM 02/17 OAKLAND 22.0 0700 PM 02/17 HASBROUCK HEIGHTS 21.0 0700 PM 02/17 TETERBORO AIRPORT 19.5 0940 PM 02/17 FAIRLAWN 19.3 0400 PM 02/17 RAMSEY 18.1 0700 PM 02/17 ORADEL 17.6 0700 PM 02/17 SADDLE BROOK 17.5 0700 PM 02/17 LODI 17.0 0700 PM 02/17 BOGOTA 16.0 0530 PM 02/17 ...ESSEX... WEST CALDWELL 23.2 0430 PM 02/17 NEWARK INTL AIRPORT 22.1 FINAL BELLVILLE 22.0 0600 PM 02/17 CEDAR GROVE 21.5 FINAL MONTCLAIR 21.5 FINAL WEST ORANGE 21.0 FINAL NUTLEY 20.0 FINAL BLOOMFIELD 19.5 FINAL ...HUDSON... HOBOKEN 20.5 FINAL SECAUCUS 20.2 FINAL KEARNY 19.0 FINAL HARRISON 19.0 FINAL JERSEY CITY 17.5 FINAL ...PASSAIC... WEST MILFORD 28.0 FINAL POMPTON LAKES 22.0 0700 PM 02/17 WANAQUE 21.2 0700 PM 02/17 BLOOMINGDALE 20.8 0700 PM 02/17 WAYNE 18.1 0800 PM 02/17 ...UNION... GARWOOD 23.5 FINAL CRANFORD 20.5 0600 PM 02/17 ELIZABETH 19.0 FINAL UNION TOWNSHIP 18.5 0645 PM 02/17 NEW YORK ...BRONX... RIVERDALE 25.5 FINAL PARKCHESTER 19.9 FINAL PELHAM BAY 16.5 FINAL ...KINGS (BROOKLYN)... GRAVES END 19.5 FINAL FLATBUSH 17.0 FINAL MARINE PARK 15.5 0515 PM 02/17 ...NASSAU... FARMINGDALE 23.5 0730 PM 02/17 GUST 35 MPH BELLMORE 23.0 FINAL GREAT NECK 20.4 FINAL MINEOLA 20.0 FINAL OCEANSIDE 19.3 FINAL PLAINVIEW 18.0 FINAL SEA CLIFF 16.5 FINAL ROSLYN 15.5 FINAL GARDEN CITY 15.0 FINAL VALLEY STREAM 14.1 0755 PM 02/17 ...NEW YORK (MANHATTAN)... BRYANT PARK 20.5 FINAL CENTRAL PARK ZOO 19.8 FINAL ...ORANGE... MONROE 30.0 0730 PM 02/17 TUXEDO 28.0 FINAL WARWICK 26.0 0900 PM 02/17 CHESTER 24.0 FINAL HIGHLAND MILLS 23.0 0730 PM 02/17 NEW WINDSOR 21.0 0730 PM 02/17 GREENWOOD LAKE 19.2 0700 PM 02/17 CORNWALL ON HUDSON 19.0 FINAL BLOOMING GROVE 18.0 1000 PM 02/17 CIRCLEVILLE 18.0 0800 PM 02/17 HAMPTONBURGH 18.0 FINAL HOWELLS 16.5 FINAL MIDDLETOWN 15.0 0730 PM 02/17 PORT JERVIS 14.0 0700 PM 02/17 ...PUTNAM... CARMEL 20.0 0900 PM 02/17 HOLMES 20.0 0900 PM 02/17 LAKE CARMEL 18.0 0900 PM 02/17 WEST MAHOPAC 15.5 0500 PM 02/17 ...QUEENS... HOWARD BEACH 28.0 FINAL JFK INTL AIRPORT 25.6 FINAL LAGUARDIA AIRPORT 16.5 FINAL RICHMOND HILLS 16.0 FINAL ...RICHMOND... ELTINGVILLE 19.5 FINAL ...ROCKLAND... SPARKILL 24.3 0700 PM 02/17 SPRING VALLEY 22.5 1120 PM 02/17 POMONA 22.3 0700 PM 02/17 NEW CITY 22.2 0700 PM 02/17 SUFFERN 20.3 0500 PM 02/17 ORANGEBERG 19.0 0500 PM 02/17 NYACK 18.0 0945 PM 02/17 ...SUFFOLK... BOHEMIA 24.0 0900 PM 02/17 BRIDGEHAMPTON 24.0 0940 PM 02/17 GUST 50 MPH EAST SETAUKET 22.0 0810 PM 02/17 NORTH BABYLON 22.0 0730 PM 02/17 WEST ISLIP 21.5 0530 PM 02/17 UPTON (NWS) 21.1 FINAL PATCHOGUE 21.0 FINAL PORT JEFFERSON 21.0 0530 PM 02/17 SETAUKET 20.5 0845 PM 02/17 CENTEREACH 20.1 0845 PM 02/17 PORT JEFFERSON STATION 20.0 0800 PM 02/17 EAST HAMPTON 19.8 FINAL BAITING HOLLOW 19.5 0840 PM 02/17 ST JAMES 18.6 0730 PM 02/17 SMITHTOWN 18.5 FINAL DIX HILLS 17.1 0500 PM 02/17 CENTERPORT 17.0 FINAL BELLPORT 16.0 0820 PM 02/17 LAKE RONKONKOMA 16.0 FINAL WADING RIVER 16.0 FINAL ROCKY POINT 15.0 1000 PM 02/17 SOUTHOLD 15.0 0715 PM 02/17 EAST QUOGUE 15.0 FINAL MANORVILLE 14.0 0830 PM 02/17 ISLIP 14.0 0800 PM 02/17 WESTHAMPTON BEACH GUST 55 MPH MONTAUK POINT GUST 35 MPH ...WESTCHESTER... THORNWOOD 26.0 0710 PM 02/17 YORKTOWN HEIGHTS 21.0 FINAL YONKERS 19.0 FINAL MAMARONECK 18.0 0600 PM 02/17 WHITE PLAINS 17.0 FINAL CROTON ON HUDSON 14.5 FINAL $$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris L Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 This storm was the slowest storm I have ever seen and it was so slow moving.... I said to myself, wow, we could get 30". But sleet got in the way.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Patrick Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Looks like my desired PDIII is coming, but it would be a rain event... PDIII fail, at least according to the GFS180 Here's the upper air pattern on Feb 13, 2003...eight years ago today. The latest 00z GFS run from last night (00z 2/13/03) was a miss to the south and east. I'm not sure if anybody remembers what the Euro was showing at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris L Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 http://cms.met.psu.e...3/16Feb2003.pdf Case Study; parts of Maryland got 30-32" from this one. Like February 5-6th 2010, only 2003 had more sleet.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 That was definitely the event where the moderate El Nino plus the fortunate timing of the cold high/arctic inflow created a massive snow event for us. You can see the associated S/W just off western Mexico at that time, and it was a big rain event for SoCal. Definitely El Nino originated, and you could see even when it reached us that it was a massive slug of moisture against our high/cold dome. It's still likely the highest snow total I observed in Long Beach (around 22 inches). There was none of the dynamic banding or CCB associated with strong coastal lows, just constant overrunning and moderate to heavy snow for almost 24 hours. Thanks to that event and last winter I'll always love El Ninos.Now that we're in a more established -NAO/-PDO regime, Ninos should be different than the ones like 97-98 hopefully (and even that would have been a massive winter here if not for bad timing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozz Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 This was an amazing storm, one of my all time favorites especially because Baltimore broke its all time record with this storm. My area got 25-30". This is really the first HECS that I remember well because I was only 5 during January 1996. I will never forget waking up the morning of February 16, and being shocked by the look outside. The snow wasn't expected to start until the afternoon, but not only did it start overnight, there was already 6-8" on the ground by 7am and it was falling very heavily. There was thundersnow as well, and it didn't take long to reach a foot. It just kept snowing all day, and into the next night. Winter 2002-03 was an amazing winter overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris L Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Yeah, at first, it certainly was going to exceed Jan 1996, but stupid freaking sleet got in the way from getting those epic totals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 This was an amazing storm, one of my all time favorites especially because Baltimore broke its all time record with this storm. My area got 25-30" from this storm. This is really the first HECS that I remember well because I was only 5 during January 1996. I will never forget waking up the morning of February 16, and being shocked by the look outside. The snow wasn't expected to start until the afternoon, but not only did it start overnight, there was already 6-8" on the ground by 7am and it was falling very heavily. There was thundersnow as well, and it didn't take long to reach a foot. It just kept snowing all day, and into the next night. Winter 2002-03 was an amazing winter overall. I guess you never mixed over w/sleet? The sleet missed me by not more than 15 miles. I heard reports of it creeping up the NJ coast, but it never reached me. The worst I had were some rimed snowflakes, but that was it. It would have been awesome to experience some banded precip and higher snow rates, but it got the job done just as well as anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Played a role in producing the greatest snow depth I've measured out here since arriving in 1994...25"....20" from storm falling on a 5" base. Came very close to topping that figure last month. Storm started around 8:00 PM Sunday night and wound down around 24 hours later out here. The start time stands out in my mind because I recall I was watching the penultimate episode of Oz, the HBO prison drama, not the lighthearted MGM musical... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris L Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 I guess you never mixed over w/sleet? The sleet missed me by not more than 15 miles. I heard reports of it creeping up the NJ coast, but it never reached me. The worst I had were some rimed snowflakes, but that was it. It would have been awesome to experience some banded precip and higher snow rates, but it got the job done just as well as anything else. I had sleet mixed in mine for periods of time. Oh what could have been, seriously. Then again, January 1996 had sleet also.... There was tons of sleet mixed in by Philly and NYC-Long Island in 03 and 96.... If no sleet, '96 would have been close to 36 for Philly and 30" for Philly in 03. Same goes tor NYC. Ironically, February 6 2010 had no sleet in Philly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozz Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 I guess you never mixed over w/sleet? The sleet missed me by not more than 15 miles. I heard reports of it creeping up the NJ coast, but it never reached me. The worst I had were some rimed snowflakes, but that was it. It would have been awesome to experience some banded precip and higher snow rates, but it got the job done just as well as anything else. No, my area eventually got some sleet on Sunday night, but I slept through most of it, and then by mid morning it changed back to snow as the coastal got going. And this wasn't exactly the windiest storm I've seen, but Sunday morning had some very heavy snow rates in my area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chazman Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Remember that radar where it was snowing at JFK, and it took forever to get to me. They got 26"..I got around 15". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-X Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 I had sleet mixed in mine for periods of time. Oh what could have been, seriously. Then again, January 1996 had sleet also.... There was tons of sleet mixed in by Philly and NYC-Long Island in 03 and 96.... If no sleet, '96 would have been close to 36 for Philly and 30" for Philly in 03. Same goes tor NYC. Ironically, February 6 2010 had no sleet in Philly? How did you get sleet? We had all snow here and 26-28 inches. This is the hall of fame month for snowstorms-- the majority of our HECS have occurred in early or mid February. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-X Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 I guess you never mixed over w/sleet? The sleet missed me by not more than 15 miles. I heard reports of it creeping up the NJ coast, but it never reached me. The worst I had were some rimed snowflakes, but that was it. It would have been awesome to experience some banded precip and higher snow rates, but it got the job done just as well as anything else. How come Chris got sleet and we didnt? He's in N NJ lol. How much did you measure? Noreaster27 measured 28 inches in Southern Queens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris L Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 How did you get sleet? We had all snow here and 26-28 inches. This is the hall of fame month for snowstorms-- the majority of our HECS have occurred in early or mid February. I had 21.5 inches and vividly recall sleet on my jacket pinging with the snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-X Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 This was an amazing storm, one of my all time favorites especially because Baltimore broke its all time record with this storm. My area got 25-30". This is really the first HECS that I remember well because I was only 5 during January 1996. I will never forget waking up the morning of February 16, and being shocked by the look outside. The snow wasn't expected to start until the afternoon, but not only did it start overnight, there was already 6-8" on the ground by 7am and it was falling very heavily. There was thundersnow as well, and it didn't take long to reach a foot. It just kept snowing all day, and into the next night. Winter 2002-03 was an amazing winter overall. Yup-- almost 50 inches of snow in Baltmore in Feb 2003! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-X Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 I had 21.5 inches and vividly recall sleet on my jacket pinging with the snow. Ugh that sucks, that storm must have had a funky midlevel layer of warmth that somehow never made it here. See, being on the coast doesnt always screw you for snowfall totals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersWx92 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Does anyone know how far north the sleet line got in NJ? I certainly remember PDII (I got about 20 inches IMBY) but I was only 10 at the time so I wasn't following it as closely as I would now and I can't remember if I mixed with sleet or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozz Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Yup-- almost 50 inches of snow in Baltmore in Feb 2003! Actually 40". Last February was 50". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 This storm happened a day after my uncle got married. What an incredible storm. I remember the forecasters the night before the storm were only calling for 6-12 inches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris L Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 and this was only a NESIS 4 on the scale.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozz Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 and this was only a NESIS 4 on the scale.... Not enough 30+ totals for a NESIS 5, and not even enough 20+ totals north of 40N. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 How come Chris got sleet and we didnt? He's in N NJ lol. How much did you measure? Noreaster27 measured 28 inches in Southern Queens. I had 22-23 inches. I came close to sleet with rimed/pellety flakes but not outright sleet. The sleet line was likely just off the beach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris L Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 How come Chris got sleet and we didnt? He's in N NJ lol. How much did you measure? Noreaster27 measured 28 inches in Southern Queens. Sleet was mixed with snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-X Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 and this was only a NESIS 4 on the scale.... There's only been 2 NESIS 5 storms and one of them was only a MECS for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 There was tons of sleet mixed in by Philly and NYC-Long Island in 03 and 96.... If no sleet, '96 would have been close to 36 for Philly and 30" for Philly in 03. Same goes tor NYC. Ironically, February 6 2010 had no sleet in Philly? I didn't go back and check the obs but I'm almost certain there was no sleet for NYC / L.I. in Feb 2003 storm. There may have been just a bit of sleet for those areas in Jan. 1996. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Humidity Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 PDII had the weirdest sleet front, I can recall hearing reports of sleet in Philly, Trenton and up into Somerset hunterdon Counties but along the coastal counties of Monmouth and ocean it was all raging snow until about 5:30 am when sleet mixed in during the moderate snows but switch back all snow when heavy. We did eventually go over to all sleet at about 7am when the snow precip lightened up near the end, but it was minimal as I measured 22" freehold and 25" in whiting, Ocean county. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jconsor Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 You are correct. In Feb 2003, EWR, JFK, LGA and ISP did not have sleet. In Jan 1996, EWR, JFK and LGA all had sleet mixed with the snow for an hour or less, while ISP had all snow. I didn't go back and check the obs but I'm almost certain there was no sleet for NYC / L.I. in Feb 2003 storm. There may have been just a bit of sleet for those areas in Jan. 1996. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-X Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 PDII had the weirdest sleet front, I can recall hearing reports of sleet in Philly, Trenton and up into Somerset hunterdon Counties but along the coastal counties of Monmouth and ocean it was all raging snow until about 5:30 am when sleet mixed in during the moderate snows but switch back all snow when heavy. We did eventually go over to all sleet at about 7am when the snow precip lightened up near the end, but it was minimal as I measured 22" freehold and 25" in whiting, Ocean county. So it sounds like a spring time set up of it snowing where the rates are heaviest. Ive seen that a couple of times when it was snowing at the coast and raining or mixing inland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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