Tropopause_Fold Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 wed could end up pretty cold as well. looks like we might struggle to mix out the remains of tuesday night's cold...maybe something somewhat similar to yesterday where readings hold pretty chilly during the day but then start going up wed night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 The KBEV is not entirely a land breeze even at SW. Reading site is ALWAYS too low, I Know this from living in the area. Brian....there was a day about 2-3 weeks ago when I freaked because I thought my station was too HIGH....Will can back me up on this because I'm sure that he remembers....I feared that my solar shield was failing...Dendrite would remember, too. My station torched to like 34, when all of the others around were like 31....when you have this dense a network of private stations, there is going to be some variance. I understand that my station wasn't very representative of the ambient environs because sometimes it isn't, BUT it is NOT ALWAYS colder...you just seems to always be implying that my obs are erroneous...you did the same thing with regard to my snow depth report at one point. My equipment, while not always representative of the majority of surrounding stations (none are always), is not faulty and I do not BS my measurements.......lets be done with this because it's getting old. Kev and others doing it is one thing because I know that is in jest, but with you it isn't and I've grown tired of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
free_man Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 You have some sort of issue with me, as you always embark on a crusade to prove my asserions false....its not my fault that you are socially awkward and inferior. I am just giving you the head sup on your inaccurate reading. Your Davis is likely at least a few degrees too low. As for the last part, I hope it makes you feel better about your awful turns in life of late. However, I'm doing fine, big big year 2011. If not , I'm sorry for even bringing it up ....lol. The S Tewksbury station was 54 just a half mile from you. I'm a weenie when it comes to accuracy and your temp just doesn't fit in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 wed could end up pretty cold as well. looks like we might struggle to mix out the remains of tuesday night's cold...maybe something somewhat similar to yesterday where readings hold pretty chilly during the day but then start going up wed night? I thought yesterday that we could mix out Wednesday, but now, the euro doesn't bring the 540 line through until after 00z. So, yeah it seems Wednesday will be relatively cool I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted February 14, 2011 Author Share Posted February 14, 2011 wed could end up pretty cold as well. looks like we might struggle to mix out the remains of tuesday night's cold...maybe something somewhat similar to yesterday where readings hold pretty chilly during the day but then start going up wed night? But now Thursday looks warmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 I am just giving you the head sup on your inaccurate reading. Your Davis is likely at least a few degrees too low. As for the last part, I hope it makes you feel better about your awful turns in life of late. However, I'm doing fine, big big year 2011. Rear view mirror....nothing to do with anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 During the summer, there is an issue because of the foliage around my house.....my day time highs are often a few degrees cool, but that is obviously not an issue during the winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpickett79 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 drove by ginx's to see what kinda house music him and pete were jammin' to today. Rev was "pullin in " as i left. temps still torchin on the CP edit. boutwell wilmington is still 52 and the other site in town says 54 (but usually runs mind) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 CPC super ensemble analogs all suggest a -NAO in the D8-10 period. Also it does have the SE ridge so a gradient will definitely try to develop...rolling the analogs forward another 10 days produces mixed results with some entering a great blocking period and significant storm threats for the first half of March and others are pretty mundane with likely an up and down pattern with no strong signal for cold/storminess. One thing that wasn't showing up was an obvious torch signal. I think maybe one analog had a significantly extended mild period. So the current data does support at least a chance for some more cold and storminess into early March, but its not an overwhelming signal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 I am just giving you the head sup on your inaccurate reading. Your Davis is likely at least a few degrees too low. As for the last part, I hope it makes you feel better about your awful turns in life of late. However, I'm doing fine, big big year 2011. If not , I'm sorry for even bringing it up ....lol. The S Tewksbury station was 54 just a half mile from you. I'm a weenie when it comes to accuracy and your temp just doesn't fit in. Read my follow up.....sorry for snapping...I see what you mean, but I am not consistently too low....today it is an outlier, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 I could see it being one or two degrees too low due it being too close to snowpack...but probably not a huge deal with the wind. Yea......I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropopause_Fold Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 I thought yesterday that we could mix out Wednesday, but now, the euro doesn't bring the 540 line through until after 00z. So, yeah it seems Wednesday will be relatively cool I guess. well i have to admit i haven't looked that close at it. just looking at it face value i thought it was going to be a pretty mild afternoon but the soundings look like they really trap in the cold through the late afternoon with really light winds. but it's ripping off the deck and really mild aloft so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 CPC super ensemble analogs all suggest a -NAO in the D8-10 period. Also it does have the SE ridge so a gradient will definitely try to develop...rolling the analogs forward another 10 days produces mixed results with some entering a great blocking period and significant storm threats for the first half of March and others are pretty mundane with likely an up and down pattern with no strong signal for cold/storminess. One thing that wasn't showing up was an obvious torch signal. I think maybe one analog had a significantly extended mild period. So the current data does support at least a chance for some more cold and storminess into early March, but its not an overwhelming signal. Ding, ding...bank it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Read my follow up.....sorry for snapping...I see what you mean, but I am not consistently too low....today it is an outlier, yes. People have to keep in mind too that as the later we get into the season, a lot of the mesonet stations will actually run too warm...because they are more affected by the sun. The stations that don't have solar shields or have low quality solar shields will run warm and the colder readings will actually be more accurate. I see a lot of mesonets in E MA between 54-57F but all the ASOS stations with high quality solar shields are in the 50-52F range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 well i have to admit i haven't looked that close at it. just looking at it face value i thought it was going to be a pretty mild afternoon but the soundings look like they really trap in the cold through the late afternoon with really light winds. but it's ripping off the deck and really mild aloft so... Yeah big inversion. I think it does look cooler today, than it did yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 People have to keep in mind too that as the later we get into the season, a lot of the mesonet stations will actually run too warm...because they are more affected by the sun. The stations that don't have solar shields or have low quality solar shields will run warm and the colder readings will actually be more accurate. I see a lot of mesonets in E MA between 54-57F but all the ASOS stations with high quality solar shields are in the 50-52F range. Yes....Nick hit the nail on the head.....my station should be at 2m, not 1....so it's prob 1-2* low sometimes.....I buy 50-51* high. Mine is a Davis VP II+, complete with fan aspirated solar shield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted February 14, 2011 Author Share Posted February 14, 2011 Monday is not too far away now...let's enjoy the brutal cold and wind tonight/tomorrow close our eyes the rest of the week and before we know it MONDAY SOUTHERN STREAM LOW PRESSURE MOVES ACROSS THE PLAINS MONDAY AND TOWARD THE GREAT LAKES. INCREASING OVERRUNNING ACROSS NEW ENGLAND ON MONDAY. WE BROUGHT INCREASING CLOUDS TO SOUTHERN PARTS OF SOUTHERN NEW ENGLAND WITH POPS SLIGHT CHANCE NORTH AND CHANCE SOUTH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Read my follow up.....sorry for snapping...I see what you mean, but I am not consistently too low....today it is an outlier, yes. Catch me up on what the issue is. What was your high? Maybe your siting isn't what it should be compared to the airport "official" stations, but it doesn't mean your sensor is wrong. I don't think people should be giving you crap for what could be meso/microscale variations in temps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Yes....Nick hit the nail on the head.....my station should be at 2m, not 1....so it's prob 1-2* low sometimes.....I buy 50-51* high. Mine is a Davis VP II+, complete with fan aspirated solar shield. Yeah you have a high quality station...definitely on the higher end for home stations so its more accurate than most. If you had stuck it 3 feet higher, I'm sure you would have cracked 50F....but those 56F type readings we see are almost certainly contaminated due to lack of or poor solar shielding...or placed on a black top roof or something that has finally been cleared of snow. (speaking for your region only...not some place in CT Valley where it actually might have hit 57 today) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Organizing Low Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Salt Saves Lives . . . You Can't Live Without Salt this is an interesting post and brings be back to some musings i had a few weeks ago in the central forum. i recall the event a month or 2 back where some ice fell in the atlanta area. if you recall that shutdown the city for a couple days, and then when the temp went into the mid30s to low40s, schools and some businesses for a couple more days remained closed.....not enough salt, so even temps at those levels were too much to overcome. now i found this fascinating because obviously up in our neck of the woods, such a thing would never happen......becasue of salt. but what if there was no salt like down south where there wasnt enough? it struck me that where all of us live, and certainly where i live, would be uninhabitalble for a modern society. its pretty crazy that we can all live where we do, thanks solely to salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Catch me up on what the issue is. What was your high? Maybe your siting isn't what it should be compared to the airport "official" stations, but it doesn't mean your sensor is wrong. I don't think people should be giving you crap for what could be meso/microscale variations in temps. Exactly. Do you remember the day that my station torched to like 34* and the others were like 31*....I was freaking because I thought my shield failed. These meso variations do occur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Yeah you have a high quality station...definitely on the higher end for home stations so its more accurate than most. If you had stuck it 3 feet higher, I'm sure you would have cracked 50F....but those 56F type readings we see are almost certainly contaminated due to lack of or poor solar shielding...or placed on a black top roof or something that has finally been cleared of snow. (speaking for your region only...not some place in CT Valley where it actually might have hit 57 today) Yea...it's tough to get it the set up PERFECT....I used the 3' tripod from Davis. The larger issue is that I don't have an open field in my yard, so the dense foliage canopy wreaks havoc with my daytime readings in the summer....I just use the wx bug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropopause_Fold Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 where is snowman21 when you need him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinch Leatherwood Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 I only hit 49 today I think all of your thermo's are broken. Saw a chipmunk that was busy playing with his nuts. Looks like he was preparing for a long cold night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Exactly. Do you remember the day that my station torched to like 34* and the others were like 31*....I was freaking because I thought my shield failed. These meso variations do occur. Well if you're sited at 1m and over the deep snow pack then yeah...you could be a little cool since the snow surface temp will be cooler than the 2m ambient due to melting/sublimating/evaporating. I have an infrared temp gun...I should go out and see what my snow surface temp is here. But yeah...I wouldn't worry too much about it. There's a few lousy sited AWOS/ASOS stations out there too. I think there's one in HI that is essentially sited on a sand pit. Then there's the well known NYC issues and I think DMH is on the roof of the Balt. science center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted February 14, 2011 Author Share Posted February 14, 2011 Catch me up on what the issue is. What was your high? Maybe your siting isn't what it should be compared to the airport "official" stations, but it doesn't mean your sensor is wrong. I don't think people should be giving you crap for what could be meso/microscale variations in temps. Where was this post all those yrs you guys gave me crap for mine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
free_man Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 I was not implying Ray was lying at all. That is an entirely different thing. The Davis guide said to mount mine at 6' or so and that is what I did with mine. Temps are always warmer because of this during a day like this, unlike if I or anyone had it right above or half as close to the ground or snowpack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Where was this post all those yrs you guys gave me crap for mine? Yeah but you had steeper lapse rates than dry adiabatic sometimes. Seriously though...I don't have a problem with your temps. It seems like you've been spot on this winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
free_man Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Yes....Nick hit the nail on the head.....my station should be at 2m, not 1....so it's prob 1-2* low sometimes.....I buy 50-51* high. Mine is a Davis VP II+, complete with fan aspirated solar shield. You have the VP II+ , when did that happen? I thought you had the $400 Davis one...nice. Yeah, 2m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted February 14, 2011 Author Share Posted February 14, 2011 Yeah but you had steeper lapse rates than dry adiabatic sometimes. Seriously though...I don't have a problem with your temps. It seems like you've been spot on this winter. LOL..but there were several yrs where I got busted on relentlessly. And I have a Davis 2 and 2 other temp sensors..Not until folks came here and experienced the microclimate themselves did it cease Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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