nzucker Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Will, great pictures. You can see how much tougher and crustier this snow is though than January 2008; that's the main difference I notice when comparing the two pictures. I'd think this one will be harder to melt because it probably contains a thicker top crust as well as more ice/sleet. Still holding on to average of 3-4" down here, have had snow cover 8 miles from NYC since 12/26, just an amazing winter for us all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 This is a truly morbid thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Will, great pictures. You can see how much tougher and crustier this snow is though than January 2008; that's the main difference I notice when comparing the two pictures. I'd think this one will be harder to melt because it probably contains a thicker top crust as well as more ice/sleet. Still holding on to average of 3-4" down here, have had snow cover 8 miles from NYC since 12/26, just an amazing winter for us all. Yeah this pack is definitely tougher, though if you look carefully in the Jan '08 pic you can see the lower half or 2/3rds of the pack is very crusty and tough (its what survived the Grinch storm on Dec 23-24, 2007). So that wasn't all powder. The torch in Jan '08 though lasted like 4-5 days with several in a row over 50F and culminating in a huge warm rainstorm...definitely not the same as what this one will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzucker Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Yeah this pack is definitely tougher, though if you look carefully in the Jan '08 pic you can see the lower half or 2/3rds of the pack is very crusty and tough (its what survived the Grinch storm on Dec 23-24, 2007). So that wasn't all powder. The torch in Jan '08 though lasted like 4-5 days with several in a row over 50F and culminating in a huge warm rainstorm...definitely not the same as what this one will be. What were the dates of the warm spell in January 2008? I believe I went up to Vermont to visit some friends at Middlebury in mid-January (I spent my sophomore year at Vassar College in Poughkeepsie doing some education coursework and needing to be close to home)....it was probably around mid-month, and when the train arrived in Rutland I heard on the radio that RUT had set a record high of 59F that day. We were planning on going snowshoeing but had to cancel since there was no snow cover in the Green Mountains below 2500', truly awful. It stayed mild at Middlebury that weekend, basically sweater weather in the middle of January up at 44N. ...I think we had a campfire one night and temps were still in the mid 30s, compared to the average low which is 9F at that time of year. Standing water had just begun to develop a thin sheet of ice when we left the fire pit at 3AM to go to sleep. Was there another torch later in January 2008 that would have affected Poughkeepsie? Once I returned to Vassar around January 20th from an extended winter break, I remember another warm spell when I went out for a couple late-night runs with temperatures hanging near 40F...again, incredibly unusual for Poughkeepsie in late January. There were a few patches of snow here and there, and then we had a hard freeze that turned the lawn and walkways in front of the dorm from a muddy mess into a sheet of ice. All of that winter was basically a dud in Poughkeepsie, we finished with around 30" of snow or so in my recollection with very warm temperatures dominating most of the winter except March, which I remember as cold but very dry. There was a snowstorm on February 22, 2008 that dropped 10" on the campus, the biggest snowfall of the year, and one other major snow in early December. I was having a lot of personal troubles though so my focus wasn't really on the weather, and it was also before I became addicted to meteorology at the hands of Mr. Skier Hansen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 The January 2008 torch was between Jan 6th and Jan 11th...most brutal between the 7th and 9th though. The '08 pic above I took was Jan 5, 2008...and it all got wiped out except some small piles near where you see the piles in that pic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 The January 2008 torch was between Jan 6th and Jan 11th...most brutal between the 7th and 9th though. The '08 pic above I took was Jan 5, 2008...and it all got wiped out except some small piles near where you see the piles in that pic. Don't show it... it's hideous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 18-22 left IMBY 15-18 IMFY I will go with 14-16 back 10-14 front Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2Otown_WX Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 I think I'll still have between 12 and 15" on Saturday..hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 I think I'll still have between 12 and 15" on Saturday..hopefully. How much do you have now? Do you still have 20"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted February 17, 2011 Author Share Posted February 17, 2011 Well we're now into the high dewpoint disaster mode. Dews in the mid 30's to near 40..there is what is going to destroy our snowpack and probably give me 12 beers from Scooter and Phil. I thought we' d have today with dews still under 32... Noone drops below 40-45 tonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherMA Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Heavy Heavy Melting, but even with 57/41, Ive still only lost as low as an inch or 2 in protected to 4-5" in sun exposed areas. Even the most exposed areas still have 10"+ and protected areas still have 20" in some cases, not sure if the sun exposed area will last through tomorrow though. It really is amazing to have temps around 60F and still have a well established 12-20" snow depth. Ive never even been in 60F temps without some patches of grass showing up in yards. The only place you see that is intersections, or right next to main roads, or places that our completely protected and had less the 6" of snow to being with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted February 17, 2011 Author Share Posted February 17, 2011 I just despise high dews and they're here 18-24 hours early. Tomorrow dews get up near 50.. I'm wondering if less than 6 inches might happen now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
free_man Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Still have like 24-30" backyard in more shaded areas, higher drifts up to my waist, but front yard is more like 18 in mostly full sun. Very heavy reductions happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 57 Thursday...61 Friday... bump...not bad so far lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Grass in exposed spots here, but still deep snow in the shade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted February 17, 2011 Author Share Posted February 17, 2011 Grass in exposed spots here, but still deep snow in the shade. Nervous with the high dews showing a day early? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 I just despise high dews and they're here 18-24 hours early. Tomorrow dews get up near 50.. I'm wondering if less than 6 inches might happen now Are you sh*tting me? 51.5/33 now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted February 17, 2011 Author Share Posted February 17, 2011 Are you sh*tting me? 51.5/33 now. Ask Scooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Ask Scooter I wasn't doubting you--it was a statement of incredulity. 50.6/32 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted February 17, 2011 Author Share Posted February 17, 2011 I wasn't doubting you--it was a statement of incredulity. 50.6/32 DISASTER!!!!!!! MID AND HIGH CLOUDS ASSOCIATED WITH A BURST OF ISENTROPIC LIFT SHOULD ARRIVE THIS EVENING...AND SLOW THE RATE OF COOLING OVERNIGHT. A SURGE OF WARM AIR ADVECTION AND INCREASING LOW-LEVEL DEW POINTS IS ALSO EXPECTED TO RESULT IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF PATCHY FOG WITH AREAS OF LOW CLOUDS. THIS SHOULD RESULT IN LOW TEMPERATURES ABOUT 5-10 DEGREES HIGHER THAN WHAT WE HAD THIS MORNING. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Nervous with the high dews showing a day early? The dews are low to mid 30s right now...what were you expecting today? Those aren't all that damaging. The stuff near and over 40F is what hurts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 DISASTER!!!!!!! MID AND HIGH CLOUDS ASSOCIATED WITH A BURST OF ISENTROPIC LIFT SHOULD ARRIVE THIS EVENING...AND SLOW THE RATE OF COOLING OVERNIGHT. A SURGE OF WARM AIR ADVECTION AND INCREASING LOW-LEVEL DEW POINTS IS ALSO EXPECTED TO RESULT IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF PATCHY FOG WITH AREAS OF LOW CLOUDS. THIS SHOULD RESULT IN LOW TEMPERATURES ABOUT 5-10 DEGREES HIGHER THAN WHAT WE HAD THIS MORNING. Zoinks! FWIW, I'm about to bid the 50's farewell for the day as I've now slipped to 50.0/32. Edit: Done. 49.9/32 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted February 17, 2011 Author Share Posted February 17, 2011 The dews are low to mid 30s right now...what were you expecting today? Those aren't all that damaging. The stuff near and over 40F is what hurts. ORH was 36-37..I thought today would stay under 32. If we hit 45 by morning and 50 dews all day tomorrow and tomorrow night..that's like a 10 -12 inch snow loss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 ORH was 36-37..I thought today would stay under 32. If we hit 45 by morning and 50 dews all day tomorrow and tomorrow night..that's like a 10 -12 inch snow loss DP got up to 34 here today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 I noticed some local obs sites are reporting dews of around 41-43F. Is that right? Or contaminated by snow melt? Both of Paul's stations in Milford have dewpoints in the low 40s...the guy in Woonsocket has a dewpoint of 43. SFZ has a dewpoint of 36. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 51.2F imby Just measured the depth. Generally 18-22" still OTG. avg around 19" Hope to keep a foot. It will be close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 51.2F imby Just measured the depth. Generally 18-22" still OTG. avg around 19" Hope to keep a foot. It will be close Yeah. Don't forget the inverse paraballic function of rate of melt vs. snow depth. 49.5/32 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 ORH was 36-37..I thought today would stay under 32. If we hit 45 by morning and 50 dews all day tomorrow and tomorrow night..that's like a 10 -12 inch snow loss I'm guessing you just have piles by this time tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherMA Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 I'm guessing you just have piles by this time tomorrow If he's lucky...maybe just snow banks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Yeah. Don't forget the inverse paraballic function of rate of melt vs. snow depth. 49.5/32 I need a correction vector Victor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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