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Feb. 8-12 Model Discussion Part III


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Cheez, according to James Spann the NWS is considering extending watches even further south to include areas near LaGrange, GA in East Central AL. Does this surprise you ?

Not really. Most of the 00z guidance has shifted slightly south with the heaviest moisture along or a hair south of I-20. Best snow will be along that line. It's possible the best snow in AL may be south of I-20.

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Personally, I do not understand how the North GA mountains gets 1-2 inches and ATL-AHN only 0.5-1 based from the NWS/Glenn Burns. I believe it will likely be an inch across North Ga with I-20 area near 1-2 inches of snow

Maybe better snow ratios and colder ground temps would lead to more accumulations in the mountains.

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I'm just wondering if it's possible that the heaviest snow band sets up just north of the rain/snow line ?

Usually how it works dude, in order to get the best rates and stay SN as dominant p-type, neighbors down the road should be in a mix. :snowman:

As the saying goes, "You're going to have to smell the rain to get the heaviest snow"

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It looks like BMX is going to expand their Watch to include almost their entire area, including Auburn, which is down near Columbus. So, I'm confused as to why no part of GA is in a watch ( and not even in an advisory).

How many times are you going to beat this dead horse, what does it matter whether there is an advisory out for you yet?? Its not gonna make it snow any faster or accumulate more. This will not be a crippling storm in GA, not to mention the extreme uncertanity with regards to QPF not to mention the system will weaken abruptly next door so whats there may not be what you are going to see crossing the boarder. It really is okay honestly.

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It looks like BMX is going to expand their Watch to include almost their entire area, including Auburn, which is down near Columbus. So, I'm confused as to why no part of GA is in a watch ( and not even in an advisory).

Don't be confused....it's very simple, FFC will under ALMOST no circumstance issue any type of winter weather watch/advisory until the event is practically upon us. That's just the way it is. I was actually surprised that they did put us under a winter storm watch a day in advance with the January system. I understand the reluctance to issue warnings based on how difficult it is in the SE to get warning criteria storms, but what I have never understood is the reluctance to issue watches. A watch is a watch, doesn't mean anything is necessarily going to happen, but it gives everyone a heads up that something COULD happen.

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Going to bed folks, and fear a WS-warning will not verify here per the watch issued by MHX. Beaufort, Washington, Hyde, and Tyrrell counties stand the best chance imo. Setup does not really support a widespread event in ENC, with a weak handoff, if that, thinking no real transfer and those areas, as well as mine, dependent on the ATL tap could get screwed. Likely an area of 0.25-0.5" of QPF along a Kinston to Washington line, and NE. Maybe a little less given the 0z guidance, but who knows... Interesting event to watch unfold, but expect to verify at no more than WWA criteria here, and would not be surprised to see the watch downgraded as such, with a general 1-3" with higher amounts in the central and northern inner banks. :)

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How many times are you going to beat this dead horse, what does it matter whether there is an advisory out for you yet?? Its not gonna make it snow any faster or accumulate more. This will not be a crippling storm in GA, not to mention the extreme uncertanity with regards to QPF not to mention the system will weaken abruptly next door so whats there may not be what you are going to see crossing the boarder. It really is okay honestly.

This will not be a crippling storm for anyone in the southeast, considering that temps will rise to well above freezing on Thursday, and with the increasingly high sun angle I expect roads to be fine pretty much everywhere by early afternoon.

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This will not be a crippling storm for anyone in the southeast, considering that temps will rise to well above freezing on Thursday, and with the increasingly high sun angle I expect roads to be fine pretty much everywhere by early afternoon.

Okay, well then why are you so concerned about an advisory or watch being issued? They will see more to your west and it will begin earlier than in GA thats why your not under one yet. Note FFC already said they were issuing an advisory tomorrow...Whats the confusion from?

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This will not be a crippling storm for anyone in the southeast, considering that temps will rise to well above freezing on Thursday, and with the increasingly high sun angle I expect roads to be fine pretty much everywhere by early afternoon.

This storm is going to do something crazy and be another Feb 1973 one!

Anyway, the GFS ensembles are even drier now, along with the NAM for the CAE area based on 00z runs. There was a question earlier that asked why storms never weakened out when they were cutters or went up the coast when the NE needs them and that's because a phase of some sort generally occurs which amplifies the system.

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This will not be a crippling storm for anyone in the southeast, considering that temps will rise to well above freezing on Thursday, and with the increasingly high sun angle I expect roads to be fine pretty much everywhere by early afternoon.

Don't worry...blocking is coming back and there will be storms that will moon that high sun angle. T

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Winter Storm Warnings

inter Storm Warning

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEWPORT/MOREHEAD CITY NC

340 AM EST WED FEB 9 2011

...A SIGNIFICANT SNOWFALL IS POSSIBLE ACROSS ALL OF EASTERN NORTH

CAROLINA TONIGHT AND THURSDAY MORNING...

.WEAK LOW PRESSURE WILL DEVELOP OFF THE NORTH CAROLINA COAST

TONIGHT AND CIRCULATE MOISTURE INTO A MARGINALLY COLD AIR MASS

OVER EASTERN NORTH CAROLINA. THIS WILL LEAD TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF

SNOW...POSSIBLY HEAVY AT TIMES...LATE TONIGHT AND EARLY THURSDAY

MORNING. THE PRECIPITATION IS LIKELY TO START AS RAIN...OR MIX OF

RAIN AND SNOW ALONG THE COAST BEFORE CHANGING OVER TO ALL SNOW

THURSDAY MORNING. INLAND ONLY SNOW IS EXPECTED TO OCCUR. THE

HEAVIEST SNOWS WILL COINCIDE WITH THE THURSDAY MORNING RUSH HOUR

CREATING DANGEROUS DRIVING CONDITIONS ACROSS THE AREA. THE SNOW IS

EXPECTED TO END EARLY THURSDAY AFTERNOON.

..WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT FROM 10 PM THIS EVENING TO

11 AM EST THURSDAY...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN NEWPORT/MOREHEAD CITY HAS ISSUED

A WINTER STORM WARNING FOR SNOW...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM 10 PM

THIS EVENING TO 11 AM EST THURSDAY. THE WINTER STORM WATCH IS NO

LONGER IN EFFECT.

* ACCUMULATION: ACCUMULATIONS WILL RANGE FROM 2 TO 4 INCHES INLAND

TO 1 TO 3 INCHES ALONG THE COAST. LOCALLY HIGHER AMOUNTS OF 5

INCHES OR MORE WILL BE POSSIBLE IN HEAVIER BANDS...ESPECIALLY

OVER AREAS NORTH OF THE PAMLICO SOUND.

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It's going to be fun talking about all of the snow just to the north of me! After looking at everything this morning, and with FFC issuing their WWA, it pretty much sums up what I have been thinking for a few days. The best chance of seeing accumulating snow is going to be from The Auburn/Opelika area to Talbotton/Thomaston and areas north of there. Places to the south will see primarily rain, but there MAY be a few flakes mixed in.

Another note, this won't be as bad as previous storms considering we will warm up to the mid 40s in the afternoon. However, those of you living to the north of La Grange could see the problems linger more into the late afternoon hours.

That being said! COME SOUTH JUST A LITTLE PLEASE SNOW!

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Okay, well then why are you so concerned about an advisory or watch being issued? They will see more to your west and it will begin earlier than in GA thats why your not under one yet. Note FFC already said they were issuing an advisory tomorrow...Whats the confusion from?

Why does it matter to you personally what he/she thinks? Just curious as it seems someone is riding someones a--!

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