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Feb 7-8 Potential Storm


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The event could be another late surprise for people down in S NJ possibly as the event about a month back was where they saw 3-6 and the Cape did well too but everyone in between was missed....its sort of the same thing where the vort could kick off snows down south but then the coastal will take over and everything will go east for people farther north.

SG, do you see any parallels between the upcoming week and Feb 1994, when we had 2 storms within a few days of each other, both trending north?

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SG, do you see any parallels between the upcoming week and Feb 1994, when we had 2 storms within a few days of each other, both trending north?

Not too much...last week's ordeal was much similar with the initial event that hit mainly SNE and then the bigger storm the next day...everything was shift about 150 miles north though vs. 1994.

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I'm thinking this one will trend NW like most other rapidly deepening systems this year. RGEM has the right idea IMO.

The 00Z RGEM through 48 is much sharper with the 500mb signature over AL and the FL panhandle...the NAM has the 546 height only to the TN/AL border while the RGEM has it digging to the AL/FL panhandle border.

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What do the ECM ENS show for this event?

I heard the ECM OP trended a bit closer but still not great. Is that true?

That's correct...they are stronger and have more precip back into the cold sector via what looks like an inverted trough (also what we're seeing on the srefs in some cases) ...when compared to 12z ensembles.

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What do the ECM ENS show for this event?

I heard the ECM OP trended a bit closer but still not great. Is that true?

I was wondering the same, the event occurs between the 48-72 hour taus so its impossible to tell what it shows...the NAM is relentless in not grabbing onto this event which has to be a concern since its been so good all winter...then again it has had issues resolving things off the SE coast alot. The 06Z NAM is more supppressed than the 00Z but honestly that does not surprise me since the 06Z NAM is almost always suppressed as of late.

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These inverted trough events are almost always poorly modeled until 24-36 hours out.

That's correct...they are stronger and have more precip back into the cold sector via what looks like an inverted trough (also what we're seeing on the srefs in some cases) ...when compared to 12z ensembles.

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One thing is for sure, there will likely be heavy migration into this thread today since this is starting to at least become the more certain event as of now even if the temps are marginal...if we get a low as deep as the RGEM we should be able to get enough dynamic cooling for something to happen.

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NAM likely way out to lunch on this. GFS has a little more of a clue, but still not deepening the offshore low nearly enough given the nice baroclinic zone in place.

Looks like this system could deepen 20+ mb in 12 hours as it heads near or SE of Nantucket.

One thing is for sure, there will likely be heavy migration into this thread today since this is starting to at least become the more certain event as of now even if the temps are marginal...if we get a low as deep as the RGEM we should be able to get enough dynamic cooling for something to happen.

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The SREFs were terrible but they are relatively useless at 21Z and 09Z since you don't know what impacts the 12 and 00 upper air soundings could have on the 12Z runs.

The only thing I take from them right now is the fact that they have trended significantly colder over the past 2 days.

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The only thing I take from them right now is the fact that they have trended significantly colder over the past 2 days.

I'm a little confused as to where the all the cold air is for this system. I thought this was part of an arctic front progged to push through. I need to look at this more closely, but if that was indeed the case and with a bombing LP off the coast then I would think there would be more cold air in the region than what is currntly being shown.

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I'm a little confused as to where the all the cold air is for this system. I thought this was part of an arctic front progged to push through. I need to look at this more closely, but if that was indeed the case and with a bombing LP off the coast then I would think there would be more cold air in the region than what is currntly being shown.

I think the whole issue what that originally the models were hanging back a bit of the primary low (which I believe was a clipper) across the great lakes and has it absorbed into the coastal low too late. But doing that, it keeps the winds on more of a ENE to NE trajectory vs a NNE to N trajectory. Now the models are going with a much weaker (almost non-existant) clipper low and that allows the coastal to draw in much colder air. The GFS was a great example of that.

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I think the whole issue what that originally the models were hanging back a bit of the primary low (which I believe was a clipper) across the great lakes and has it absorbed into the coastal low too late. But doing that, it keeps the winds on more of a ENE to NE trajectory vs a NNE to N trajectory. Now the models are going with a much weaker (almost non-existant) clipper low and that allows the coastal to draw in much colder air. The GFS was a great example of that.

Yes, your right and I was already aware of this too, I guess I was still half asleep when I wrote that....LOL. You know, looking at the new 12Z NAM, it really doesn't look that far away from a nice little event for this area. Looking at the soundings, it's the SSE wind at the surface thats really killing the whole thing. If the coastal gets cranked up just a little sooner then is being shown, which looks like it's entirely possible, then it wouldn't be an issue because we wouldn't have those S winds. Upper levels look just fine, as was mentioned. This last gulf system that we just had was shown similar to this on the NAM, meaning spread out and weaker, when in fact it ended up being more consolidated and stronger therefore further west as well. I wouldn't be surprised to see the same thing happen with this system.

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