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Looking beyond Feb 5-6th event


Baroclinic Zone

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Glad I went to bed. The back and forth ribbing is nauseating.

My winter to date has been epic. I live in SE MA. I would say the majority of SE MA is around 150%+ of their seasonal snowfall.

Yes the pattern has changed, some people just won't admit it.

That's the part that's so strange. Clearly the pattern changed, whether it changes back to a more snowy pattern remains to be seen. It was two weeks late in arriving but this is essentially what I saw as the general forecast for the winter...bad December and January then a relaxing of the pattern.

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We should stop. Scott might not be as amused. lol

Pete if you couldn't see I was screwing around last night then maybe I need to use more emoticons. I know you guys are tired from sculpting your snow but I really thought it was pretty obvious.

Then again nobody noticed the three day thaw over a good portion of sne which continues today so who knows?

I use a push mower and then a lawn service in season fwiw. I'd rather be with the kids at the beach than mowing. TVM

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FTL.

TUESDAY...CLOUDY WITH SNOW LIKELY IN THE MORNING...THEN PARTLY

SUNNY WITH A CHANCE OF SNOW SHOWERS IN THE AFTERNOON. TOTAL SNOW

ACCUMULATION OF 2 TO 4 INCHES POSSIBLE

From the AFD

SUFFICIENT DYNAMICS TO SUPPORT CATEGORICAL POPS TONIGHT INTO TUESDAY

BUT AMOUNTS COULD BE JUST BELOW ADVISORY CRITERIA. BLENDED

GFS QPF /MORE GENEROUS THAN NAM/ WITH HPC VALUES WHICH BROUGHT

TOTALS OF 1 TO 3 INCHES THROUGH MOST OF THE INTERIOR...THOUGH CAN

NOT RULE OUT SOME HIGHER TOTALS. CLOSER TO THE COAST A RAIN/SNOW MIX

PROMPTED A FORECAST OF AN INCH OR LESS SNOW ACCUMULATION.

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From the AFD

SUFFICIENT DYNAMICS TO SUPPORT CATEGORICAL POPS TONIGHT INTO TUESDAY

BUT AMOUNTS COULD BE JUST BELOW ADVISORY CRITERIA. BLENDED

GFS QPF /MORE GENEROUS THAN NAM/ WITH HPC VALUES WHICH BROUGHT

TOTALS OF 1 TO 3 INCHES THROUGH MOST OF THE INTERIOR...THOUGH CAN

NOT RULE OUT SOME HIGHER TOTALS. CLOSER TO THE COAST A RAIN/SNOW MIX

PROMPTED A FORECAST OF AN INCH OR LESS SNOW ACCUMULATION.

Yup

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Looks like another NAM failure... Time to toss that model away for the winter

NAM is busting badly on ongoing mod-heavy precip. over the western FL Panhandle, SE AL, GA, and coastal SC. That's the precip. that the NAM shows coming very close to LI but staying offshore.

Compare the current radar over those areas to the NAM 3 hour precip forecast valid 15z.

The GFS has been handling things much better but still underestimating the precip. over FL/AL/GA/SC.

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Hard to tell, but the WV loop certainly indicates the baroclinic leaf that's igniting the precip. over FL/GA/AL is headed well NW of all guidance besides the RGEM.

Nice 24 hour WV loop here:

http://www.nws.noaa....age=wv&hours=24

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Pete if you couldn't see I was screwing around last night then maybe I need to use more emoticons. I know you guys are tired from sculpting your snow but I really thought it was pretty obvious.

Then again nobody noticed the three day thaw over a good portion of sne which continues today so who knows?

I use a push mower and then a lawn service in season fwiw. I'd rather be with the kids at the beach than mowing. TVM

LOL. It's all good. ISm taking a break sitting on the tailgate looking at snow and ice frosted trees, wondering where this thaw has been? Ski to live,live to ski!

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LOL. It's all good. ISm taking a break sitting on the tailgate looking at snow and ice frosted trees, wondering where this thaw has been? Ski to live,live to ski!

I was supposed to be out by kev yesterday and Saturday...inlaws and day skiing in Vermont but Thursday am we pulled the plug based on the weather being potentially snowy/tough travel. Doh! Friends went to cannon and had a blast. This weekend we are going somewhere.

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Maybe ride the RGEM?

well...not sure that brings anything great...the trend has been kinda meh with that model in the last 36 hours or so. i haven't seen today's 12z yet (maybe it comes back to some of the older solutions) but here's the 12z, 18z, 00z and 06z since yesterday - not exactly the direction we want to see this go:

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well...not sure that brings anything great...the trend has been kinda meh with that model in the last 36 hours or so. i haven't seen today's 12z yet (maybe it comes back to some of the older solutions) but here's the 12z, 18z, 00z and 06z since yesterday - not exactly the direction we want to see this go:

It cut back in CT and RI this run. Leaves the 5mm line in SE MA but that's about it. Everywhere else in SNE is .5 mm for the two periods/under 5mm. Unless there's some 12 hour magic in terms of how it displays on the B&W it's less wet.

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GFS has a little bit of a qpf void over ern mass...sort of in between the moisture offshore, and the mid level frontogenesis stuff in NY state and GC.

Ironically thought it's much closer with some impressive vvs this run. Going to be a tight call/nowcast. I'd think we see the same pattern, ride the RUC later on today.

It's early and it's outside the RUC range but through 18 it's further NW, more consolidated and brings the good stuff up over SE areas.

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