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February 8-12 model discussion


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Compared to 12z GFS the 12z EURO is further west with the shortwave and has a 1004 mb low in SW TX while the 0z EURO had no low in TX at this time frame (150hr or 18z Wednesday).:gun_bandana:

Yeah this bad boy is gonna be rain for most everyone when it comes down to it. I bet Ohio Valley gets clobbered with this one. The pattern right now suggests a north trend and with little blocking and having to rely on other mechanisms rarely works.

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Euro is going to be mostly rain for most of us. It is obv ious the trend in the models today was to slide the s/w further to the west and slow the storm evolution down. This allows for more interaction (phasing) with the northern branch of the jet and hence a further north and west storm track. With no -NAO out ahead of the system, this is a totally plausible scenario. However, it wouldnt be shocking to see things reverse again a few times over the next couple of days as this is still 6-7 days away and the key data wont be onshore for quite a while.

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At least all of the SE gets a good 1-2" more rain to hold off that drought...:arrowhead:

Wrong thread. Rain is considered evil in this thread. Go to drought thread. ;)

Yep, this is a classic example of a further north track meaning much more qpf/much warmer.

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We've been though this ALL winter long.Models going back and forth.As i've said before we don't want the models to look perfect now ,like 2 weeks age when they were painting at least a foot for many only to rain .We need to wait til it gets a lot closer .And we know the models can't pick up on all the extreme cold that coming either.

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No, not at all. ATL (the city itself) got epic dumps of 7-10" of snow from storms in 12/1886, 1/1893, 12/1896, 1/1904, 1/1936, 1/1940, and 3/1983 and epic dumps of 3-4" of IP (keep in mind that 3-4" of IP is equivalent to ~9-12" of snow) from storms in 1/1884, 12/1917, 2/1979 and 1/1988. ALL of these were from Miller A storm tracks quite a bit further south than the 12Z gfs (all crossed either SE GA or north or central FL) and gave ATL-AHN in the very general vicinity of 1" of liquid equivalent. 3/1993 was much more the exception. Since the late 1800's, I can't find even one epic dump in the city, itself, that didn't have an associated track across either SE GA or N/C FL unless you want to count 3/1993 (which may not quite count as epic dump for city, itself..it is close..and it definitely didn't count as epic for KATL)..even if it did count, the track was still ~100 miles SE of the 12z gfs' MCN track. So, that's 11 epic dumps (about once every 12 years) and 11 similar Miller A tracks excluding 1983.

Maps from here:

http://docs.lib.noaa...ather_maps.html

Thanks Larry. Good to know.

Watch the Euro Ensembles come in further south. Wouldn't that be ironic.

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Speak of the devil, it's showing a fairly supressed system.

I don't know about the 2/9-10 storm (too far out on maps I've seen which only go out 6 days), but, interestingly, the JMA has an earlier storm (Monday, 2/7) that is fairly well supressed (northern GOM) in classic Miller A fashion giving what appears to be a couple of inches of snow to places like Gadsen, AL, Rome, Dahlonega, and Blairsville, GA as well as Asheville. Weird. A definite outlier. Does any other model even have a system for 2/7?

JMA sfc/qpf:

http://grib2.com/jma...THKPRP_96HR.gif

http://grib2.com/jma...HKPRP_120HR.gif

JMA 850's in advance of the 2/7 system:

http://grib2.com/jma...HTMPRH_96HR.gif

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