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The Winter 2010-11 NYC/PHL Medium Range Thread


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Then don't read this thread. Im pretty sure the topic reads day 7 and beyond discussion...

it didn't come off right, but the point was we cannot be certain anything is here to stay. Tons of variability in the pattern. Appologies for coming across in a negative way.

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it didn't come off right, but the point was we cannot be certain anything is here to stay. Tons of variability in the pattern. Appologies for coming across in a negative way.

Ahhh ok, didn't mean to get mean, i took it as a negative comment. Yea i totally agree, there is tons of a variability whenever you're dealing with a block that strong, things are going to get messed up.

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18z Gfs has a quite a front move through next week right before thanksgiving. Pretty impressive pattern on the op run.

Just got a look. Very interesting. The model is "seeing" a lot of short waves, but its going to have trouble till it has better resolution and a better fix on the NAO to know whats really going to happen. Clearly though the GFS is favoring the block to get onto and west of greenland which is good. Will the -PNA be too powerful or will the block be enough? One thing is for sure, do not look for anything to tighten up and bite into a big storm, pattern does not support that at all. A series of over running or SWFlow events as some like to call them? sure, the difference this year to years in the past, the strong block, so the local area could stay all white or at least all frozen, instead of the dreaded 1 inch of snow then 1 inch of rain.

To be continued......

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0z euro has totally abandoned the cold air coming into the area. through day 10 all the cold air is locked up north in canada, east based -nao, the pacific jet and se ridge are roaring across the lower 48.

Its going to be interesting to see which model is correct. The gfs continues to show arctic air pouring in, while the euro continues to delay and negate any cold air except out west.

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0z euro has totally abandoned the cold air coming into the area. through day 10 all the cold air is locked up north in canada, east based -nao, the pacific jet and se ridge are roaring across the lower 48.

Its going to be interesting to see which model is correct. The gfs continues to show arctic air pouring in, while the euro continues to delay and negate any cold air except out west.

This product is pretty good at settling discussions.

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0z euro has totally abandoned the cold air coming into the area. through day 10 all the cold air is locked up north in canada, east based -nao, the pacific jet and se ridge are roaring across the lower 48.

Its going to be interesting to see which model is correct. The gfs continues to show arctic air pouring in, while the euro continues to delay and negate any cold air except out west.

6z GFS is also warm now. Like the euro, it now delays any cold air until well after day 9-10. Not looking good.

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6z GFS is also warm now. Like the euro, it now delays any cold air until well after day 9-10. Not looking good.

I wouldn't worry too much about the 6z GFS and 1 run of the Euro when its ensemble members completely disagreed with it. If there are a few more model runs consecutively showing this then I would think the cold maybe delayed.

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I wouldn't worry too much about the 6z GFS and 1 run of the Euro when its ensemble members completely disagreed with it. If there are a few more model runs consecutively showing this then I would think the cold maybe delayed.

True. I definetely think the cold air eventually gets in here. We just have to see if its a bit delayed or if its able to pour in around Thanksgiving.

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I'm not too concerned about the cold not getting in here. The way it comes in and the time frame it does may be fluctuating, but if the EPO switches and the PNA rises the way many models are indicating then the graphic representation will switch in our favor. Plus remember, when we move into December, we don't need a fantastic Pacific to keep us cold if we have a good -NAO.

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after tomorrow NYC temperatures should be running about average for November...Now does it get cold enough for the month to end up below average?...So far the coldest temp this season is 36...It would be the warmest on record if it stands up...I think it won't and by months end we should see below freezing readings for a few days...

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Right now GFS, its ensembles, and Euro ensembles all insist on the NAO getting west based just enough to keep us on the cold/frozen side of this Nina equation.

Interesting to see the GFS show the NAO negative both east and west. Its quite expansive.

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12z euro at day 10 is better than 0z. Brings some cold air in, but no where near to the level as the gfs does. the t giving storm or weekend threat on the euro is a lake cutter, cold air follows behind. Euro Has an east and semi west based nao. Se ridge is still around but is squashed a little. Also has a GOA low, which to me means what ever cold that comes east will be pretty transient. The pna looks neutral.

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