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The Winter 2010-11 NYC/PHL Medium Range Thread


am19psu

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Wednesday night is going to be the coldest night of the year for most places.

Coldest night of the year already occurred. Easy to forget that last January was still this year.   :arrowhead:

I believe it got down to 14 in NYC on Jan 30, it was in the teens for a stretch of days.

That being said, it will be interesting to see if this winter season's minimum will be lower or higher than last seasons. Won't be lower on Wednesday, that's for sure. 

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What a terrific signal on the long range GFS global ensembles. The blocking and -NAO showing no signs of breaking down--really awesome depiction in that regard.

http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~gadomski/ENSHGTAVGNH_12z/f372.gif

Terrific for an Ohio Valley storm track - strong east based -NAO does not usually support an east coast storm track so we end up on the warm side of the storm....

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Why are you saying that this is east based?

you check the charts out for the storm period ? The NAO is progged to be strong -NAO east plus no 50/50 low..........GFS is wrong - Euro has the right idea.... pus the MJO is going into 4/5 zone another ohio valley fav.....

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you check the charts out for the storm period ? The NAO is progged to be strong -NAO east plus no 50/50 low..........GFS is wrong - Euro has the right idea....

I haven't looked at every single piece of guidance out, I was merely commenting on the GFS Ensembles that earthlight posted vs. your east based NAO comment. Whether it is right nor not is another story.

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Looks like a snowstorm for most of eastern and central PA with exception of extreme SE...storm moves from Delmarva Penninsula to NYC very slowly...

Yep...Poconos do really well in this storm...Allentown right on the line if the 6z were taken verbatim.

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Looks like a snowstorm for most of eastern and central PA with exception of extreme SE...storm moves from Delmarva Penninsula to NYC very slowly...

The key to the track of this Dec 12 - 13 system is where the first clipper stalls out in the block and how strong it becomes - to early to speculate ......

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The 6z and 18z runs have a historical SE bias, aside from the SE bias that the 12z and 00z runs already have.

Not according to Henry - Big Daddy for the Big Cities - track through the lower ohio valley to the VA capes - explodes and comes up the coast

He says the Euro is wrong and GFS the way to go.

Any Takers ???

http://www.accuweather.com/blogs/meteomadness/story/42602/video-is-ready-a-look-at-the-lake-snows-to-big-daddy.asp

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The 6z and 18z runs have a historical SE bias, aside from the SE bias that the 12z and 00z runs already have.

Not really. From experience, I have noticed that the 18Z DOES have a historical SE bias, but from what I've noticed, the 06Z for whatever reason, often has a N & W bias, where the 00Z and 12Z are *USUALLY* but not always more accurate..

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Guest Patrick

AO is forecasted to plunge to -6 :stun:

which, if comes to fruition, would actually give us a shot at a fully occluded storm retrograding WWD into the NYC metro area... lol... sound familiar?

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NAO. It is forecasted to go very negative. When something like that happens, you can have bizarre retrograding storm scenarios such as the one the 0z Euro showed last night.

The NAO isn't forecasted to go very negative. The AO is. :snowman:

Also, the retrogading storm on the Euro looks like February 25-26. :whistle:

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Not really. From experience, I have noticed that the 18Z DOES have a historical SE bias, but from what I've noticed, the 06Z for whatever reason, often has a N & W bias, where the 00Z and 12Z are *USUALLY* but not always more accurate..

Of late the 12z gfs model run has been the most accurate of the gfs model runs at the time frame we are looking at (day 5-6).

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The MJO emerging in the warm phases maybe part of reason the -nao is relaxing or heading east late this week, not entirely sure if that can occur that quickly. As far as the epo being the driver of change, I usually give it 5 to 7 days to be an instrument of "change", which would still be mid December about the same the -nao looks like its going to flex its muscle again. We'll see who wins.

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Thanks for that, shadow.

IIRC, last winter we saw the -NAO progged to erode in the 90-120 frames virtually all season long. That may be a weenie wish this year given the PAC. Still, it is worth noting.

The MJO emerging in the warm phases maybe is reason the -nao is relaxing or heading east late this week, not entirely sure if that can occur that quickly. As far as the epo being the driver of change, I usually give it 5 to 7 days to be an instrument of "change", which would still be mid December about the same the -nao looks like its going to flex its muscle again. We'll see who wins.

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