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The Winter 2010-11 NYC/PHL Medium Range Thread


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It is not climo in these parts, actually. November is one thing, December another.

The 70s/80s in particular (the 90s as well, though) were likely the anomaly as opposed to the 2000s, when Decembers have gone back to their historical snow averages. The legit December average for NYC is probably around 6-7", not the 8" of the past decade nor the 1-2" of the 70s-90s.

December in the 50's had very little snow too.The big December decades were the 40's,60's and 00's

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Here we go again about snow and cold in late Nov and early Dec.I think many of you were spoiled by the last decade.it doesn't snow that much usually till the end of December.The decade of the 70's 80's and 90's featured very little snow till after Christmas.That's climo around these parts.I think sometime expectations are overblown because of the last decade.

I'll take this, please.

SnowTotals-05Dec03.jpg

Early December storms FTW!

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Here we go again about snow and cold in late Nov and early Dec.I think many of you were spoiled by the last decade.it doesn't snow that much usually till the end of December.The decade of the 70's 80's and 90's featured very little snow till after Christmas.That's climo around these parts.I think sometime expectations are overblown because of the last decade.

NYC decade snow averages...

decade.......................Oct.....Nov.....Dec.....Jan.....Feb.....Mar.....Apr.....total

1870-71 to 1879-80......0.1.....0.9.....6.7......9.7......8.8.....4.1......1.6.....31.9

1880-81 to 1889-90........0......1.8.....7.1......8.8......7.6.....6.8......0.7.....32.8

1890-91 to 1899-00........0......3.3.....4.3......8.7....10.6.....7.1......0.8.....34.8

1900-01 to 1909-10........0......0.3.....6.2......9.1......9.2.....4.8......0.6.....30.2

1910-11 to 1919-20........0......0.2.....7.5......4.8......9.5.....8.3......2.3.....32.6

1920-21 to 1929-30......0.1.....0.1.....4.2......8.5....10.1.....2.2......0.9.....26.1

1930-31 to 1939-40........T......2.2.....4.3......6.4......8.5.....3.5......0.8.....25.7

1940-41 to 1949-50........T......0.6.....9.1......7.4......8.6.....4.8......1.1.....31.6

1950-51 to 1959-60......0.1.....0.5.....4.7......5.2......3.4.....8.0......0.8.....22.7

1960-61 to 1969-70........T......0.3.....7.4......7.7....10.6.....4.6......0.1.....30.7

1970-71 to 1979-80........T......0.3.....1.7......7.3......9.5.....2.4......0.1.....21.3

1980-81 to 1989-90........0......0.6.....2.1......7.8......5.3.....2.9......1.1.....19.8

1990-91 to 1999-00........0......0.3.....2.9......6.9......9.1.....5.4......0.2.....24.8

2000-01 to 2009-10........T........T......7.8......6.5....13.3.....3.5......0.4.....31.5

average.........................T......0.8.....5.4......7.5......8.9.....4.9......0.8.....28.3

last 30 years...................T......0.3.....4.3......7.1......9.2.....4.0......0.6.....25.4

from the 1970-71 winter to the 1999-00 one NYC averaged 2.2" for December...2000-2009 averaged 7.8"...long term average is 5.4" and the last 30 years is 4.3"...As a kid growing up December 10-12th usually had the first measurable snowfall...

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Here we go again about snow and cold in late Nov and early Dec.I think many of you were spoiled by the last decade.it doesn't snow that much usually till the end of December.The decade of the 70's 80's and 90's featured very little snow till after Christmas.That's climo around these parts.I think sometime expectations are overblown because of the last decade.

Maybe so, but the 70s-80s-90s are bad examples. They were extreme outliers below the curve for pre-winter snows compared to winters before (or since) that period.

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NYC decade snow averages...

decade.......................Oct.....Nov.....Dec.....Jan.....Feb.....Mar.....Apr.....total

1870-71 to 1879-80......0.1.....0.9.....6.7......9.7......8.8.....4.1......1.6.....31.9

1880-81 to 1889-90........0......1.8.....7.1......8.8......7.6.....6.8......0.7.....32.8

1890-91 to 1899-00........0......3.3.....4.3......8.7....10.6.....7.1......0.8.....34.8

1900-01 to 1909-10........0......0.3.....6.2......9.1......9.2.....4.8......0.6.....30.2

1910-11 to 1919-20........0......0.2.....7.5......4.8......9.5.....8.3......2.3.....32.6

1920-21 to 1929-30......0.1.....0.1.....4.2......8.5....10.1.....2.2......0.9.....26.1

1930-31 to 1939-40........T......2.2.....4.3......6.4......8.5.....3.5......0.8.....25.7

1940-41 to 1949-50........T......0.6.....9.1......7.4......8.6.....4.8......1.1.....31.6

1950-51 to 1959-60......0.1.....0.5.....4.7......5.2......3.4.....8.0......0.8.....22.7

1960-61 to 1969-70........T......0.3.....7.4......7.7....10.6.....4.6......0.1.....30.7

1970-71 to 1979-80........T......0.3.....1.7......7.3......9.5.....2.4......0.1.....21.3

1980-81 to 1989-90........0......0.6.....2.1......7.8......5.3.....2.9......1.1.....19.8

1990-91 to 1999-00........0......0.3.....2.9......6.9......9.1.....5.4......0.2.....24.8

2000-01 to 2009-10........T........T......7.8......6.5....13.3.....3.5......0.4.....31.5

average.........................T......0.8.....5.4......7.5......8.9.....4.9......0.8.....28.3

last 30 years...................T......0.3.....4.3......7.1......9.2.....4.0......0.6.....25.4

from the 1970-71 winter to the 1999-00 one NYC averaged 2.2" for December...2000-2009 averaged 7.8"...long term average is 5.4" and the last 30 years is 4.3"...As a kid growing up December 10-12th usually had the first measurable snowfall...

I guess I got so used to the December's of the 70's *80's and 90's that the snow from the 00's seemed unusual..

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December in the 50's had very little snow too.The big December decades were the 40's,60's and 00's

As bad as the 50s were for snow, the big deficits were in the heart of winter, not at the edges. Marchs averaged pretty good, December wasn't nearly as bad as the 70s-80s-90s and we've experienced nothing like it since the 50s with regard to consistency of April snowfalls. 50s really were an odd decade snow wise, especially since some of the most snow-poor winters were rather cold.

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Did you get the new record release? 70 bucks well spent..

I just got the new releases. I listen to so many of the bootlegs on SIRIUS that I didn't think the DVD would be worth it. I could be wrong though...

Normally I'd say we ought to take this to PM but you're a mod so whatever...

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According to my Kocin/Uccellini Northeast Snowstorms book, it was rated 4.63 on the NESIS scale (Category 3). Then when I look for it on lists of all NESIS storms and their ratings it isn't there. Strange.

Yeah I think its the only main "case study" in the Kocin book that is not on the NESIS site. I'm not sure why that is.

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