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Wow I would pay anything for the 6z at 264 to verify...we would probably have a foot of snow. But just to tell you how wonky that far out gets. The GFS shows all that moisture coming with very low sfc temps for this region...then with the moisture still there the sfc temps skyrocket, then they swing back down just to sky rocket again. So you know, if it can't get the temps right....gun_bandana.gif

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Wow I would pay anything for the 6z at 264 to verify...we would probably have a foot of snow. But just to tell you how wonky that far out gets. The GFS shows all that moisture coming with very low sfc temps for this region...then with the moisture still there the sfc temps skyrocket, then they swing back down just to sky rocket again. So you know, if it can't get the temps right....gun_bandana.gif

I was noticing that too..... the models are really struggling going out just a couple of days. It's going to be one of those winters where you cannot trust any model even in the medium range. Just take the end of this week as an example, the models had been swinging back and forth from epic cold to run of the mill cold for the past several days. My motto for this winter is not to trust anything out past 2-3 days, that goes for warm weather, cold, or snow. Hopefully we can get a pattern to lock in to help with the model madness so some degree but it looks like that wont happen anytime soon.

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I was noticing that too..... the models are really struggling going out just a couple of days. It's going to be one of those winters where you cannot trust any model even in the medium range. Just take the end of this week as an example, the models had been swinging back and forth from epic cold to run of the mill cold for the past several days. My motto for this winter is not to trust anything out past 2-3 days, that goes for warm weather, cold, or snow. Hopefully we can get a pattern to lock in to help with the model madness so some degree but it looks like that wont happen anytime soon.

Yea this will be the year of the surprise snow...which can be a good thing.

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You got that right!

Maybe it is the overall setup and not so much individual storms this year?

Either way, us SE folks should know better than to call anything a lock outside of a few days or 24 hrs. However, with that said, the 276 GFS storm looks killer :)

Agreed.... it probably will be one of those years where a storm fires up from nowhere. I love those because a lot of the time they are the best producing storms for this area.

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You got that right!

Maybe it is the overall setup and not so much individual storms this year?

Either way, us SE folks should know better than to call anything a lock outside of a few days or 24 hrs. However, with that said, the 276 GFS storm looks killer :)

It's like the long hot summers bake our southern brains and we forget where we live. We should never take an epic cold wave or snowstorm being shown on the models as truth outside of 24 hours. We would save ourselves a lot of heartache if we would just learn our lesson but that would be tooooo easy.

Oh well, bring on the hour 246 fantasy storm! I've got my snow shover sharpened and ready.....

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It's like the long hot summers bake our southern brains and we forget where we live. We should never take an epic cold wave or snowstorm being shown on the models as truth outside of 24 hours. We would save ourselves a lot of heartache if we would just learn our lesson but that would be tooooo easy.

Oh well, bring on the hour 246 fantasy storm! I've got my snow shover sharpened and ready.....

Forget the snow shovel! haha. I'm good with being snowed in for a week.

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Forget the snow shovel! haha. I'm good with being snowed in for a week.

Nah you have to have a shovel to pile up the snow to make a GIANT snowman..... that way a week after the snow and it is 70 degrees my tall pile of snow is still around to remind of the good times.

Man, T-giving week and I have NO motivation to work today. Wish there was something in the near future to track to rationalize my lack of work productivity.

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We all need to move here>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Area forecast discussion

National Weather Service Grand Forks ND

321 am CST Monday Nov 22 2010

Statement as of 7:23 AM CST on November 22, 2010

... Winter Storm Warning in effect until 9 PM CST this evening...

... Winter Storm Watch remains in effect from Wednesday morning

through Thursday afternoon...

The National Weather Service in Grand Forks has issued a Winter

Storm Warning for heavy snow... which is in effect until 9 PM CST

this evening. The Winter Weather Advisory is no longer in effect.

A Winter Storm Watch remains in effect from Wednesday morning

through Thursday afternoon.

* A band of snow will continue to move slowly north across the

area today. Snow will gradually become lighter this afternoon

and then taper off during the evening.

* A band of heavy snow from Lisbon to Fargo to Mahnomen will bring

6 to 8 inches of accumulation to that narrow area. Snow

accumulation of 3 to 5 inches will be possible outside of this band.

* Winds will become north at 10 to 20 mph Monday afternoon and

evening with some blowing and drifting snow.

* Another storm system moving in for Wednesday and Thursday will

bring and additional 4 to 6 inches of snow. Winds will blow at

25 mph at times and will create travel problems with reduced

visibilities from blowing and drifting snow.

Discussion...

With a pretty active pattern winter weather concerns will be the

main forecast headache for this morning.

WV loop and upper air observation have a fairly strong shortwave trough

currently in Wyoming...and models are all in pretty good agreement on

bringing this feature into the County Warning Area today. The surface low will be well

to our southeast...but there will be plenty of lift as the upper

system moves across the region. The NAM and GFS are also in pretty

good agreement on putting some decent 700mb frontogenesis over our

southern counties today.

The GFS and European model (ecmwf) are in pretty good agreement on dropping 3-5

inches of snow across a Valley City to Fargo to Bemidji line...and

the NAM even puts in some 6 inch amounts. Not seeing too much

potential for csi and the system will be fairly fast moving.

However...will have to watch closely in case some banding sets up

and it looks like we'll get over 6 inches. For now will keep

advisory going as it is. Fortunately winds will remain in the 10

to 15 miles per hour range and blowing snow will not be too much of a problem.

Snow will taper off tonight as the upper system moves off into the

Great Lakes and surface high pressure arrives in the County Warning Area. There will

be some brief shortwave ridging between systems on Tuesday...and

the northern plains should see a dry day. However...temperatures will

remain cold with highs in the teens and lows in the single digits

to below zero.

The next upper trough will begin to approach on Tuesday night and

Wednesday. There is a lot of variation between the models as to

the exact timing of the system. The GFS has been the most

progressive...moving the upper low into South Dakota on Wednesday and

through the County Warning Area Wednesday night. The NAM on the other hand...is

much slower...keeping the upper low over South Dakota through Thursday. The

European model (ecmwf) is a bit slower than the GFS...but much more progressive

than the NAM...while the Gem is in between. Given the NAM is often

unreliable this far out in time...and that the GFS is often a bit

too progressive...will lean towards the European model (ecmwf).

What this means for US is that snow will start moving into our

northwestern County Warning Area late Tuesday night or Wednesday morning. Unlike

previous systems...the surface low will deepen quite nicely near the

County Warning Area and there will be some strong winds with this round of snow.

At least 4 inches and blowing snow at 25 miles per hour or more look probable

across the County Warning Area...with some higher amounts definitely not out of

the question. There are still some differences in timing and it is

still 48 hours plus out...but it looks likely for some ugly

weather somewhere in the northern plains on the busiest travel

day of the year. Thus...will go ahead and put out a watch for the

Wednesday/Thursday time frame.

&&

Aviation...

Conditions will deteriorate this morning as bands of snow begin to

move into the forecast area. Ceilings will go down to MVFR across

kfar first and then spread north and eastward. Some locations

could see -sn limiting visible down to a mile or two at times. Visible and

ceilings will begin to recover after 06z Tuesday.

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Nah you have to have a shovel to pile up the snow to make a GIANT snowman..... that way a week after the snow and it is 70 degrees my tall pile of snow is still around to remind of the good times.

Man, T-giving week and I have NO motivation to work today. Wish there was something in the near future to track to rationalize my lack of work productivity.

My tallest to date is just over six feet. Actually tiny but ever since I got old enough to build one that big we haven't had enough snow to go bigger lol. One problem is I'm not exactly a big guy and snow gets heavy haha. But I'm lucky. Last year when we got our 4-6" snow it stuck around about 3" deep for a week in our front yard. It never gets sun during the winter (not good for the grass). I was literally outside a week later in 3 (even four in some spots) inch deep snow in 70 degrees wearing shorts and a hawaiian shirt, having a snowball fight. Good times..... :)

New goal for the winter: build a 7 foot tall snowman.

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