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PHL CWA Feb 1-2 Storm OBS and Discussion


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Question for the pros wrt PHL tomorrow...

raw NAM has held steady with temps of 35-36 for several runs while the raw GFS jumped for 40-45 between 0z and 12z. I tend to not agree with the GFS' output (resolution + snow pack)...am I not alone?

Trying to figure out why folks are forecasting 40's (not 40, but like mid 40's) for Philly tomorrow...is it a simple and pure GFS MOS dry hump?

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...ICE STORM TONIGHT INTO WEDNESDAY FOR NORTHWEST NEW JERSEY AND
A LARGE PORTION OF EASTERN PENNSYLVANIA WEST AND NORTH OF
PHILADELPHIA...

.LOW PRESSURE IN THE OHIO VALLEY THROUGH TONIGHT WILL REFORM IN
THE WATERS EAST OF NEW JERSEY WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON...THEN QUICKLY
DEPART FOR THE MARITIMES WEDNESDAY EVENING.

NJZ009-010-012-015-PAZ060-067>069-020400-
/O.CAN.KPHI.WS.W.0005.000000T0000Z-110202T2100Z/
/O.NEW.KPHI.IS.W.0001.110201T1949Z-110202T2100Z/
HUNTERDON-SOMERSET-MIDDLESEX-MERCER-BERKS-CHESTER-MONTGOMERY-
BUCKS-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...FLEMINGTON...SOMERVILLE...
NEW BRUNSWICK...TRENTON...READING...WEST CHESTER...NORRISTOWN...
DOYLESTOWN
249 PM EST TUE FEB 1 2011

...ICE STORM WARNING IN EFFECT UNTIL 4 PM EST WEDNESDAY...
...THIS REPLACES WINTER STORM WARNING...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN MOUNT HOLLY HAS ISSUED AN ICE
STORM WARNING...WHICH IS IN EFFECT UNTIL 4 PM EST WEDNESDAY. THE
WINTER STORM WARNING HAS BEEN CANCELLED.

* AREAS AFFECTED: WEST CENTRAL NEW JERSEY AND MUCH OF SOUTHEAST
 PENNSYLVANIA JUST TO THE WEST AND NORTH OF PHILADELPHIA.

* PRECIPITATION TYPES: FREEZING RAIN.

* ACCUMULATIONS: GLAZE ACCUMULATIONS OF FOUR TO SEVEN TENTHS OF
 AN INCH ARE EXPECTED OVER MOST OF THIS AREA BY 10 AM WEDNESDAY.
 ALREADY AT 2 PM... THERE HAS BEEN A REPORT OF ONE TENTH INCH OF
 GLAZE FROM THIS MORNINGS FREEZING RAIN AND DRIZZLE.

* TIMING: SPOTTY FREEZING DRIZZLE WILL BECOME A STEADY FREEZING
 RAIN LATE THIS EVENING AND THEN OCCASIONALLY HEAVY FREEZING RAIN
 BETWEEN 3 AM AND 9AM WEDNESDAY BEFORE IT ENDS AS DRIZZLE DURING
 MIDDAY WEDNESDAY. THERE IS A CHANCE THAT THE FREEZING RAIN WILL
 BRIEFLY MIX WITH SLEET FOR A TIME OVERNIGHT.

* IMPACTS: TRAVEL WILL BECOME TREACHEROUS LATER TONIGHT THROUGH
 MID MORNING WEDNESDAY ON ALL UNTREATED SURFACES. POWER OUTAGES
 ARE EXPECTED FROM BREAKING TREE LIMBS AND WIRES WEDNESDAY
 MORNING. IF GLAZE WERE TO EXCEED THREE QUARTERS OF AN INCH...THIS
 WOULD RAISE THE POTENTIAL FOR DESTRUCTIVE WIDESPREAD POWER
 OUTAGES. THE WEDNESDAY COMMUTE WILL BE EXTREMELY DIFFICULT.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

AN ICE STORM WARNING MEANS SEVERE WINTER WEATHER CONDITIONS ARE
EXPECTED OR OCCURRING. SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF ICE ACCUMULATIONS
WILL MAKE TRAVEL DANGEROUS OR IMPOSSIBLE. TRAVEL IS STRONGLY
DISCOURAGED. COMMERCE WILL LIKELY BE SEVERELY IMPACTED. IF YOU
MUST TRAVEL...KEEP AN EXTRA FLASHLIGHT...FOOD...AND WATER IN YOUR
VEHICLE IN CASE OF AN EMERGENCY. ICE ACCUMULATIONS AND WINDS WILL
LIKELY LEAD TO SNAPPED POWER LINES AND FALLING TREE BRANCHES THAT
ADD TO THE DANGER.

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A few questions for real-time tracking / nowcasting:

1. What short-term models handle temperature profiles the best? How about precipitation start time and intensity? I was impressed by the HRRR's performance on the 1/26 - 1/27 event so I have that bookmarked, but how does that typically compare to the RUC or MM5? Are there other short-term models to consider? I will continue looking at NAM/RGEM as well.

2. Is the SPC Hourly Mesoscale analysis the best representation of surface temps vs. temps aloft?

3. Any other tips for nowcasting ice events besides watching temp profiles and radar watching?

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URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MOUNT HOLLY NJ

249 PM EST TUE FEB 1 2011

...ICE STORM TONIGHT INTO WEDNESDAY FOR NORTHWEST NEW JERSEY AND

A LARGE PORTION OF EASTERN PENNSYLVANIA WEST AND NORTH OF

PHILADELPHIA...

.LOW PRESSURE IN THE OHIO VALLEY THROUGH TONIGHT WILL REFORM IN

THE WATERS EAST OF NEW JERSEY WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON...THEN QUICKLY

DEPART FOR THE MARITIMES WEDNESDAY EVENING.

NJZ001-007-008-PAZ054-055-061-062-020400-

/O.CAN.KPHI.WS.W.0005.000000T0000Z-110202T2300Z/

/O.NEW.KPHI.IS.W.0001.110201T1949Z-110202T2300Z/

SUSSEX-WARREN-MORRIS-CARBON-MONROE-LEHIGH-NORTHAMPTON-

INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...NEWTON...WASHINGTON...MORRISTOWN...

JIM THORPE...STROUDSBURG...ALLENTOWN...BETHLEHEM...EASTON

249 PM EST TUE FEB 1 2011

...ICE STORM WARNING IN EFFECT UNTIL 6 PM EST WEDNESDAY...

...THIS REPLACES THE WINTER STORM WARNING...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN MOUNT HOLLY HAS ISSUED AN ICE

STORM WARNING...WHICH IS IN EFFECT UNTIL 6 PM EST WEDNESDAY. THE

WINTER STORM WARNING HAS BEEN CANCELLED.

* AREAS AFFECTED: NORTHEAST PENNSYLVANIA AND NORTHWEST NEW

JERSEY.

* PRECIPITATION TYPES: HEAVY FREEZING RAIN. THERE IS A CHANCE

THAT SLEET OCCURS OVERNIGHT...ESPECIALLY IN THE POCONOS AND

SUSSEX COUNTY NEW JERSEY.

* ACCUMULATIONS: GLAZE ACCUMULATIONS OF ONE HALF TO THREE QUARTERS

OF AN INCH ARE EXPECTED BY 10 AM WEDNESDAY. IF SLEET OCCURS...

GLAZE ACCUMULATION WOULD BE LESS BUT SLEET COULD ACCUMULATE ONE

HALF INCH.

* TEMPERATURES WILL BE IN THE UPPER TEENS AND 20S THROUGHOUT THIS

STORM.

* TIMING: SPOTTY FREEZING DRIZZLE IN PROGRESS WILL INTENSIFY TO

FREEZING RAIN BETWEEN 8 PM AND MIDNIGHT. THE WORST OF THE

GLAZING SHOULD OCCUR BETWEEN 3 AM AND 9 AM WEDNESDAY.

PRECIPITATION TAPERS TO DRIZZLE EARLY WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON.

* IMPACTS: TRAVEL WILL BECOME TREACHEROUS LATER TONIGHT THROUGH

MID MORNING WEDNESDAY ON ALL UNTREATED SURFACES. POWER OUTAGES

ARE EXPECTED FROM BREAKING TREE LIMBS AND WIRES WEDNESDAY

MORNING. IF GLAZE EXCEEDS THREE QUARTERS OF AN INCH...THIS WOULD

RAISE THE POTENTIAL FOR DESTRUCTIVE WIDESPREAD POWER OUTAGES. THE

WEDNESDAY COMMUTE WILL BE EXTREMELY DIFFICULT.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

AN ICE STORM WARNING MEANS SEVERE WINTER WEATHER CONDITIONS ARE

EXPECTED OR OCCURRING. SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF ICE ACCUMULATIONS

WILL MAKE TRAVEL DANGEROUS OR IMPOSSIBLE. TRAVEL IS STRONGLY

DISCOURAGED. COMMERCE WILL LIKELY BE SEVERELY IMPACTED. IF YOU

MUST TRAVEL...KEEP AN EXTRA FLASHLIGHT...FOOD...AND WATER IN YOUR

VEHICLE IN CASE OF AN EMERGENCY. ICE ACCUMULATIONS AND WINDS WILL

LIKELY LEAD TO SNAPPED POWER LINES AND FALLING TREE BRANCHES THAT

ADD TO THE DANGER.

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Glad I topped off on Kerosene yesterday. Getting harder and harder to find it these days. The one hope I see is perhaps an extended period of sleet putting a dent in the qpf thus reducing amount availble for freezing rain. This may help some areas in NW NJ, SE NY and the Poconos but still a very dicy 18 hours coming up.

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Thanks, that site is great, but when I drag and click plot new sounding it plots it for a different location then where I drug it hmmmmmm

after you move it then pick new location.. i think its called new location...

Also, anyone have the text output for soundings? pick text for text output

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KPHI is seeking glaze THICKNESS reports thru the night and wed morning. pls give us the sfc measured. Conservative values. any damage reports will be helpful...inclusive of power outages. i dont think power outages will begin until sometime between 4 am and 8am wed. wd

Walt it has been a pleasure reading ur disscussions this winter...really top notch....thankyou

26.7 here in edison....27 at new brunswick

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KPHI is seeking glaze THICKNESS reports thru the night and wed morning. pls give us the sfc measured. Conservative values. any damage reports will be helpful...inclusive of power outages. i dont think power outages will begin until sometime between 4 am and 8am wed. wd

Thanks for posting here. I know you will be busy during the storm but please keep us informed here as well with updates!

Temp holding steady here 20.8F. This is going to be bad.

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Gulp.

SUGGEST THAT THOSE LIVING ALONG AND NW OF KCDW-KMMU-KSMQ-KDYL-KMQS BE PREPARED WITH BATTERY POWERED EQUIPMENT FOR POSSIBLE POWEROUTAGES WED MORNING IF THIS IS AN ALL FREEZING RAIN EVENT THROUGH 9 AM WED. SEVERAL HOURS OF ALL SLEET WOULD HELP LIMIT DAMAGING GLAZE POTENTIALIN NW NJ AND NE PA...WHICH IS POSSIBLE...BUT DIFFICULT TO SEE ANYTHINGMORE THAN AN HOUR OF SLEET OCCURRING KABE SOUTHWARD IN THIS EVENT.ALL CELL PHONES ETC SHOULD BE FULLY CHARGED. COULD BE SEVERAL HOURSWITHOUT POWER TOMORROW WHERE EVER GLAZE EXCEEDS 1/2 INCH. SUBFREEZING SFC AIR IS CIRCLING SOUTHWESTWARD ACROSS THE WATERSOUTH OF LONG ISLAND AT 21Z. 25-28F NEAR SANDY HOOK NOW.

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Man, I don't know what to think here. Being in the Central Bucks area not sure if I will see more than 1/4" of ice, but soundings based off the NAM sure seem to be leaning that way.

While not a snow storm, I must say this system is a bit more interesting to track in terms of evolution of surface temps and onset of heavier precip.

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Unfortunately I would have to lean more towards NAM temps because of its high resolution.

I posted last night that models would struggle in this set up and bust too high on temps, but with that strong southerly flow ahead of heavy moisture, it may just get above freezing leaving us with only .25"

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