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Mid week storm talk continued


mitchnick

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I am not going to fight over the map because we can all clearly see it, but there is still a chance in Central and especially North Central MD on that map so he is definitely owed an apology.

it's mostly a battle that's been going on for yrs. both sides are at fault.

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I am not going to fight over the map because we can all clearly see it, but there is still a chance in Central and especially North Central MD on that map so he is definitely owed an apology.

looks like from the map no more than 40-50% chance of >.5 ice in those areas. the preponderance of model data suggests plain rain.

an apology is premature

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looks like from the map no more than 40-50% chance of >.5 ice in those areas. the preponderance of model data suggests plain rain.

an apology is premature

Maybe the pros at HPC see something that most of us don't. I think the thing to do here ( on this forum ) is discuss what we think about what we can see, but realize that our mets and pros and those at HPC and NWS know more than just about any of us do, and, therefore, it's probably unwise to "throw off" on their forecasts and opinions.

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I have to ask the same thing as a previous poster. Why is the NOAA/NWS saying this for DC/Arlington for today

Rest Of This Afternoon...Snow or sleet likely. Highs in the lower 30s. Northeast winds around 10 mph. Chance of precipitation 60 percent.

Not sure.

If I didn't know any better and checked that forecast, saw a winter weather advisory, went outside saw the cloud cover and felt the cold air, it would be hard to believe that we wouldn't be in for some winter weather shortly.

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it's mostly a battle that's been going on for yrs. both sides are at fault.

Yes i know i have been on the boards and have seen the fighting for years. I know both sides are at fault. But after seeing how in this case he just got attacked for speaking the truth i thought an apology was in order. I hate getting involved in fights that are not mine so i will step back now.

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looks like from the map no more than 40-50% chance of >.5 ice in those areas. the preponderance of model data suggests plain rain.

an apology is premature

What the hell does that mean lolthumbsdownsmileyanim.gif. Were not getting plain rain, some snow to Freezing Rain to Cold Rain for Northern MD/Northern VA

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I have to ask the same thing as a previous poster. Why is the NOAA/NWS saying this for DC/Arlington for today

Rest Of This Afternoon...Snow or sleet likely. Highs in the lower 30s. Northeast winds around 10 mph. Chance of precipitation 60 percent.

well, it looks like some precip is developing overhead. I drove through a brief sleet/snowpellet shower at the I-395/I-495 junction around 4pm...

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What the hell does that mean lolthumbsdownsmileyanim.gif. Were not getting plain rain, some snow to Freezing Rain to Cold Rain for Northern MD/Northern VA

Why are so many people discounting the actual temps? There are going to be rise in temps overnight. The QPF is there now. Rain/

If anyone can decipher either of these please help me :arrowhead::yikes: .

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i mean ~40% chance is not that great but it's still kinda bullish imo

For the last ZR event, they put us (NW suburbs) into the moderate risk range as well. The way I see it, we are 36 hours out from the onset of the main event, which is still plenty of time for model adjustments in the surface temp fields. I personally think that the position of the high depicted on both the NAM and GFS around 6Z Wednesday should keep the weathermen who have to make a forecast sweating, even if we end up as warm as depicted. That's not to say I expect it to stay ZR--just will be something to keep watching.

And as for the secondary low developing off the surface in the last storm, that's definitely not a necessity for a resilient wedge in our area, but as has been mentioned several times in here the midwest low would probably have to stay further to the west to keep our wedge (see 1/27-28/94-- ice storm in the entire area with temps forecasted to be in the 50's).

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We had a discussion after that storm with BethesdaWx...he had measured around that too but it was determined he was measuring both sides of the surface (branch both sides) only measure the top when reporting.

Paraphrasing the NWS link that was provided in that thread, it said to take a "very small twig" and measure the full width of ice. I assume you could do this with a larger branch and than subtract the diameter of the branch, but you do measure the full width of ice.

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For the last ZR event, they put us (NW suburbs) into the moderate risk range as well. The way I see it, we are 36 hours out from the onset of the main event, which is still plenty of time for model adjustments in the surface temp fields. I personally think that the position of the high depicted on both the NAM and GFS around 6Z Wednesday should keep the weathermen who have to make a forecast sweating, even if we end up as warm as depicted. That's not to say I expect it to stay ZR--just will be something to keep watching.

And as for the secondary low developing off the surface in the last storm, that's definitely not a necessity for a resilient wedge in our area, but as has been mentioned several times in here the midwest low would probably have to stay further to the west to keep our wedge (see 1/27-28/94-- ice storm in the entire area with temps forecasted to be in the 50's).

i hear ya. im not saying they are wrong. i already stated i'd rather not touch a freezing rain forecast unless i was forced to. in this instance with this low track i still tend to think that there is a greater shot of ice being 'less than' rather 'greater than' forecast. wasnt the 12z nam colder than it had been though? if so i'd be nervous it was one of it's burps in the short range. it is not very consistent lately.

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