Jump to content
  • Member Statistics

    17,608
    Total Members
    7,904
    Most Online
    NH8550
    Newest Member
    NH8550
    Joined

January 31-February 2 Major Winter Storm part 3


Hoosier

Recommended Posts

  • Replies 1k
  • Created
  • Last Reply

This morning's LOT AFD... not saying much at all. Pulled this from near the end...

FURTHER UPSTREAM...COMPACT UPPER LOW CENTERED OVER THE EASTERN

PACIFIC NEAR 43.5N 140W EARLY THIS MORNING CROSSES THE CA COAST

AND REACHES THE INTER-MOUNTAIN W BY 12Z MON. AS CERTAINLY WOULD BE

EXPECTED AT THIS TIME FRAME SOME MODEL DIFFERENCE THOU BASICALLY

HAVE SAME IDEA OF EJECTING A SHORT WAVE/UPR LOW FROM THE SOUTHERN

PLAINS NE TO THE MID MS VALLEY 00Z-12Z WED. ROUGH CONSENSUS

BETWEEN MODELS AND PERTURBATIONS OF GFS ARE THAT SFC LOW TRACK

WILL BE S OF THE OH RIVER WHERE BULK OF QPF PROGGED THO SOME LIGHT

AMOUNTS OVER/NEAR THE LOCAL FA AS THE UPPER LOW/TROF PASSES

OVERHEAD DURING THE DAY WED.

WAA makes me nervous... I am watching this unfold with an admittedly jaded eye that I am keeping to myself.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I do, on this one. The synoptic pattern is exceedingly favorable, to an extent which I've not seen in some time. This is the perfect time for the NAO to go positive, and the PNA ridge looks to be in the ideal position. The PV is also in a great place to hold in a moderately strong elongated surface ridge to the north, thereby providing plenty of cold, dry northeasterly air, so no worries on that end. We're certainly going to be playing in the danger zone wrt model runs for the next 48 hours though, and feedback-type cyclogenesis is on the table, which is exciting and worrisome at the same time. I loathe the NAM past 48 hours, but it does seem to be in agreement with the Euro on deep and rapid lee-cyclogenesis across Texas.

A few major concerns in general:

1) Sharp northern cut-off with precipitation is likely real. So, you've either not enough lift to overcome the dry air or you don't. A 50 mile zone from heavy snow to almost nothing is probably in the cards.

2) Feedback cyclogenesis can wreak havoc with the modeling. The fact that the Euro and NAM (higher res) are more wound up earlier than the lower res GEM and GFS says something in my book.

3) There's likely to be a tremendous amount of WAA aloft, and we all know how well the models do with that at this time frame. This needs to be watched very closely, as it will have serious consequences in terms of ice and mixing well north of the warm front.

In this one regard it seems similar to the MSP blizzard, with the hi-res models nailing this aspect.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

It's not going to rain in Chicago. Come on

don't be so sure. Maybe the pattern change is to a true La Nina pattern ala 3 winters ago. I'm sure Bowme can enlighten everyone. Would not be surprised to see the February pattern break off into this. With that said I still think Chicago looks good.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Why?

outlined at length above, the hi-res models that do a better job with explosive cyclogenisis along tight baroclinic zones are trending more agressive with the WAA ahead of the warm front to the east (not to mention that it is so often underdone). Not saying we're screwed, but it's a legit concern to watch. 12z NAM gets mixing to i80 or so before the NE winds send things back south.

.50 from the NAM just in WAA snows.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

outlined at length above, the hi-res models that do a better job with explosive cyclogenisis along tight baroclinic zones are trending more agressive with the WAA ahead of the warm front to the east (not to mention that it is so often underdone).

good new is a compromise between the further north solutions and the GFS makes us look good. Bad news is plenty of time for the warm air train to blast this thing further north with following runs. Recall the last La Nina winter where storms would start on EC and end up near or north of Chicago.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

probably not plain old rain, but ZR is on the table and the threat is increasing IMO.

By the time that warm air makes it that far north on the frontal slope, you'd be looking at sleet (if it were to mix). I don't think it will, but I do think that the WAA with this system is going to be monstrous in general.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

NAM pretty aggressive withthe WAA precip solid .25-.50 over much of IA,WI ,IL and .50-75 northen In and Southwesten and all of southern Mich

If anything has been consistent this winter, it's been the fact that WAA snows have not failed to come through. A decent WAA forced thump on Monday, ahead of the main system, is looking more likely.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

By the time that warm air makes it that far north on the frontal slope, you'd be looking at sleet (if it were to mix). I don't think it will, but I do think that the WAA with this system is going to be monstrous in general.

yeah, i want to make it clear i'm not whining just pointing out some concerns. Like i said, you have to gamble with some mixing to see the monster totals.

Defo band from hell in the making. The baroclinic leaf on this thing will be sick.nam_ref_078m.gif

nam_ref_084m.gif

nam_700_078m.gif

nam_700_084m.gif

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Latest water vapor loop. The area that is spinning off the coast... Am I correct in assuming this is the system that could potentially cause all of this mayhem?

Water Vapor Imagery

http://www.goes.noaa.gov/GSSLOOPS/alwv.html

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Geebus, that's 6-10" of JUST WAA snow in Northern Indiana and Southern Michigan. :wacko:

And that's assuming A CONSERVATIVE snow to liquid ratio of 12:1. :yikes:

It's easily 8-12" wiht a more realisitic ratio. :o

I'm seriously not gonna survive this weekened. I have never wished a weekend away so fast before. hope the models hold!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.

×
×
  • Create New...