Analog96 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Wow, 23 inch snowdepth at Central Park. Don't see that every day. 25.5 here as of this AM, probably will be more like 23-24 by the end of the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorEaster27 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 It literally sounded like glass was breaking! Maybe 2 inches of snow in 20 min lol if it had been all snow. the only video i have from last night is the sleet t-storm. Like nothing I have ever heard before with the wind driven sleet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-X Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 i guess its harder when they are measuring from an exposed roof top location on jamaica bay. I had been told they "have to" measure from a roof top, but never told why. Do you know why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jconsor Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I think they fudged the liquid equivalent at JFK to match the reported snowfall and a 10:1 ratio. I've seen this done in past storms where the ASOS didn't properly melt the snow and liquid equivalents in the METARs were way off. lol so in the case of JFK they got the liquid equivalent and the snowfall amt wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Agreed. Obs like these from JFK - 3 straight hours of 1/8 mi or less visibility - cast even more doubt on their snowfall report. Their visibilities were lower than LGA and EWR for all three of these obs. Perhaps the strong winds contributed to the relatively lower visibilities, but considering how wet the snow was I doubt it. METAR KJFK 270651Z 35016KT 1/8SM R04R/2800V4000FT SN FZFG VV006 M01/M02 A2957 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/2 SLP011 SNINCR 2/11 PRESENT WX DRSN P0016 T10061022 $ METAR KJFK 270551Z 36019KT 1/8SM R04R/1000V1200FT +SN FZFG VV004 M01/M02 A2955 RMK AO2 PK WND 36026/0512 SFC VIS 1/4 SLP004 SNINCR 2/9 PRESENT WX DRSN 4/009 P0017 60046 T10061022 10011 21006 53012 $ METAR KJFK 270451Z 34013KT 1/8SM R04R/1200V1600FT +SN FG VV003 00/M02 A2958 RMK AO2 PK WND 36037/0425 SFC VIS 1/4 SLP016 SNINCR 1/7 PRESENT WX DRSN P0011 T00001017 400111039 $ METAR KJFK 270351Z 36026G34KT 0SM R04R/1600V1800FT +SN FZFG BLSN VV002 M01/M02 A2947 RMK AO2 PK WND 36034/0349 SFC VIS 1/4 PLE00 PRESFR SLP979 SNINCR 1/6 P0012 T10061022 $ There's no way they should have less than 15, and they probably should have broken 18" based on the radar and those reports. It looked even more impressive there than here at times, and I had over 16". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-X Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 the only video i have from last night is the sleet t-storm. Like nothing I have ever heard before with the wind driven sleet. Do you think we might have actually gotten hail in that, considering there were reports of pea sized hail in C NJ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jconsor Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 LOL - a roof is just about the worst possible place to measure snow, especially when there are strong winds. I had been told they "have to" measure from a roof top, but never told why. Do you know why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 25.5 here as of this AM, probably will be more like 23-24 by the end of the day. It's 16-18" in my front yard, and well over two feet in my back yard. I wonder if we will have reports of roof cave ins due to the wetness of the snow? There was some scattered tree damage here too because of the snow on branches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowlover11 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 This the heaviest snow I have shoveled in a LONG time. Talk about back breaking, I feel old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Do you think we might have actually gotten hail in that, considering there were reports of pea sized hail in C NJ? Too bad we didn't go for the trifecta and verify a sleetnado as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-X Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 There's no way they should have less than 15, and they probably should have broken 18" based on the radar and those reports. It looked even more impressive there than here at times, and I had over 16". I think we have a strong consensus from you, me, noreaster, ace and doug for the following storms: Dec 26-27.... JFK 15.5 US 18-19 Jan 12.... JFK 6.2 US 9-10 Jan 26-27..... JFK 10.3 US 16-17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorEaster27 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 It's 16-18" in my front yard, and well over two feet in my back yard. I wonder if we will have reports of roof cave ins due to the wetness of the snow? There was some scattered tree damage here too because of the snow on branches. I had similar measurements in my backyard this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I think we have a strong consensus from you, me, noreaster, ace and doug for the following storms: Dec 26-27.... JFK 15.5 US 18-19 Jan 12.... JFK 6.2 US 9-10 Jan 26-27..... JFK 10.3 US 16-17 Sounds about right. Regardless, the "SW Nassau snowhole" has been done away with for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtRosen Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I have snow somewhere in the bottom of the snowpack that won't probably melt away until March or April. The highest snow mound I have on my driveway is close to 4 feet. It looks like a snowcave in my front yard. This is just surreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorEaster27 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I think we have a strong consensus from you, me, noreaster, ace and doug for the following storms: Dec 26-27.... JFK 15.5 US 18-19 Jan 12.... JFK 6.2 US 9-10 Jan 26-27..... JFK 10.3 US 16-17 we had 3-4 yesterday morning, are they even including that? It makes it a little closer but still off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-X Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 LOL - a roof is just about the worst possible place to measure snow, especially when there are strong winds. There is one event in there where they didnt even attempt a measurement, and that was the one where it went from snow to sleet to zr. We had 1.5 or so... so it wasnt much but when we tried to find out what happened we were told that the FAA had told the contract observer to "immediately cease" all snow measuring procedures. To the credit of the NWS, they somehow managed to get the FAA to change its mind. But now if they could only get them to measure in a more representative spot (that is, anywhere but a roof lol.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowGoose69 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I want to say it was the New Years Eve event a couple of years ago where JFK reported nothing and people right nearby had 3 inches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-X Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 we had 3-4 yesterday morning, are they even including that? It makes it a little closer but still off. The funny thing is, they are. Apparently, the "official" measurement is 2.8 from yesterday morning and 7.5 from last night. The 12 inches snowcover figure includes a 3" snowdepth before the event began (there was some compacting.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-X Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I want to say it was the New Years Eve event a couple of years ago where JFK reported nothing and people right nearby had 3 inches? Haha, that was another one. We had one like that again in Feb 2009, when they had 0.3 and we had snow plows out-- and as you know, snow plows only come outt for over 2 inches (it was actually like 4 inches.) The number was adjusted later. But no, the FAA actually told them to stop measuring earlier this month and they only started reporting again on the 20th. The snow to sleet to zr event was about a week and a half ago. It snowed 1 AM to 4 AM and sleet/zr fell from about 4 AM to 7AM and then it switched over to rain. There was about 1.5" inches of snow between 1 AM and 4 AM with rates of about half an inch per hour. It was the storm where you said that if it had occurred in the late 80s or early 90s everyone would be excited, but because of the kind of winter we were having the board was pretty quiet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowlover11 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I have snow somewhere in the bottom of the snowpack that won't probably melt away until March or April. The highest snow mound I have on my driveway is close to 4 feet. It looks like a snowcave in my front yard. This is just surreal. The euro is showing another big storm feb 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-X Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Too bad we didn't go for the trifecta and verify a sleetnado as well. I want to see that and a snownado one day! How awesome something like that would be-- a tornado wrapped in a wall of white! It would probably look like a dust devil with snow lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jconsor Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Do a search for "roof collapse" in Google News and you'll see there have been several in the past 2 days over the Northeast, mainly in southern New England. South Orange, NJ: http://southorange.patch.com/articles/roof-collapse-on-valley-st-car-fire-sofd-responds West Bridgewater and Lynn, MA: http://www.wpri.com/...senior-services Somers and Portland, CT (Hartford area): http://www.nbcconnec...-114708829.html Wallingford, CT (central CT): http://www.myrecordj...1cc4c03286.html Norwalk, CT: http://www.ctpost.co...pses-981113.php Foster, RI (NW RI): http://www.abc6.com/....asp?S=13920788 It's 16-18" in my front yard, and well over two feet in my back yard. I wonder if we will have reports of roof cave ins due to the wetness of the snow? There was some scattered tree damage here too because of the snow on branches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulen Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 NYC plow was stuck in front of my house a payloader came to the rescue i noticed the plow had highway tires on the rear of the truck a hugh misapplication ,they had chains but the wrong tires unbelievable their trying to save money but thats no excuse i took pics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterwx21 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I have snow somewhere in the bottom of the snowpack that won't probably melt away until March or April. The highest snow mound I have on my driveway is close to 4 feet. It looks like a snowcave in my front yard. This is just surreal. The plows plow me in so bad that I have to stack up snow ridiculously high. 4 feet is nothing. I have some piled up 8 to 10 feet high. I have no clue what I'd do if we get another big storm ... there simply is no more room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sock Puppet Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 WTF. My report isn't in the latest update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sferic Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Now just give me a coating to an inch tomorrow and again on Saturday to whiten and freshen things up then onto next week's 00Z runs and the up and back hysterical paranoia that we all love. Also..any super cold air to rival our recent cold snap on the horizon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtRosen Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 The euro is showing another big storm feb 2. Can it go somewhere else? I think 57 inches for one winter is enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtRosen Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Was the 1995-1996 winter a La Nina winter? What was the summer of 1996 like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtRosen Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 The plows plow me in so bad that I have to stack up snow ridiculously high. 4 feet is nothing. I have some piled up 8 to 10 feet high. I have no clue what I'd do if we get another big storm ... there simply is no more room. One of these days one of those snow towers is going to collapse and kill someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikolai Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Can it go somewhere else? I think 57 inches for one winter is enough. It is never enough. I saw roughly 90" last winter, and 4 MECS/HECS (I travelled back to DC for when they got more--saw 20.5" on 12/19, 6.5" on 1/30, 27" on 2/5, then back in NYC saw 10" with 2/11 and 20" with 2/25). I've seen another two HECS this winter (24" with 12/27 and 19" with this past storm, as well as the 8-9" with the 1/7 event). I've seen roughly 150" since last December, SEVEN MECS+, and 4 storms with over 20" (almost 5). Still, I WANT MORE. NEVER ENOUGH!!! Although it's wonderful as is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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