NorEaster27 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I measured 16 inches of snow just west of JFK, sent it in but dont see it on the report yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Patrick Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 THey probably just aren't used to seeing the username "Noreaster" with more than "1-3" I measured 16 inches of snow just west of JFK, sent it in but dont see it on the report yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sferic Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 In 1996 that blizzard in January was unprecedented, Schools Closed Monday AND Tuesday, with a delayed opening on Wednesday. I know NYC schools will be open tomorrow, lateness and absentism might be high though, new sets of challenges for parking, etc. especially for staff living out of NYC and also because it's a Friday. I'm just curious about that blob of moisture in the upper mid west.......and its relation to Friday and Saturday's weather. Is this two systems? We all know it's no 2-4 or 3-6. But is this a dusting to an inch combined for Friday and Saturday or potentially 1-3? Also When would it start ? NOAA has Mostly cloudy tonight and 40% chances tomm through Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 We probably get a batch and pick up a dusting tomorrow and then another round on saturday. Both will be light though I guess some places could overperform and squeeze out an inch. In 1996 that blizzard in January was unprecedented, Schools Closed Monday AND Tuesday, with a delayed opening on Wednesday. I know NYC schools will be open tomorrow, lateness and absentism might be high though, new sets of challenges for parking, etc. especially for staff living out of NYC. I'm just curious about that blob of moisture in the upper mid west.......and its relation to Friday and Saturday's weather. Is this two systems? We all know it's no 2-4 or 3-6. But is this a dusting to an inch combined for Friday and Saturday or potentially 1-3? Also When would it start ? NOAA has Mostly cloudy tonight and 40% chances tomm through Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha5 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Still in awe of this winter 3 biggest storms: 15", 14.5", 14" Wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha5 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 NYC as well....doing its best Day After Tomorrow Impression Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowlover11 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 uptons pns still extremely innacurate for ct.. they won't add my 16.5 inch report Yup same here, I got 19.7" in Lower Westchester, and they refuse to put me up. Just because Upper Westchester and if you wanna call it Mid Westchester didn't cash in.. they don't believe me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-X Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I measured 16 inches of snow just west of JFK, sent it in but dont see it on the report yet. I dont know why it isnt in there-- they took my 16.4 right away http://www.erh.noaa.gov/hydromet/erEventDisplay.php?event=stormTotal_12&element=snow¢eron=BOX BTW there's a 19.5 in there from Rahway, same place that got 32" in the Xmas day after blizzard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzucker Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Still in awe of this winter 3 biggest storms: 15", 14.5", 14" Wow I've had 13", 14.5", and 14" for my biggest storms this winter, and I'm generally fairly conservative measuring. I've never seen a progression of snowstorms of this nature with snowpack remaining on the ground; this is simply historic. I am in awe of the amount of heavy snow I've seen this winter. Yup same here, I got 19.7" in Lower Westchester, and they refuse to put me up. Just because Upper Westchester and if you wanna call it Mid Westchester didn't cash in.. they don't believe me? I believe you this time....extreme Southern Westchester just got hammered. Looking back on radar loops, you were clearly in the 30-35dbz when I was under 25-30dbz for much of the storm. My mom's school, Mount Vernon, closed...we only had delays up this way though I wasn't called in to sub anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 This is some of the most waterlogged snow I've had in a very long time. It looks quite pretty because it's still stuck to everything here. Does anyone know what the liquid equivalents were for the snow around the Tri-state? Has to have been at least 1.5" or more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-X Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 This is some of the most waterlogged snow I've had in a very long time. It looks quite pretty because it's still stuck to everything here. Does anyone know what the liquid equivalents were for the snow around the Tri-state? Has to have been at least 1.5" or more. I believe it was like 10.5:1 ratio so something like 1.8" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaner587 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 This is some of the most waterlogged snow I've had in a very long time. It looks quite pretty because it's still stuck to everything here. Does anyone know what the liquid equivalents were for the snow around the Tri-state? Has to have been at least 1.5" or more. I think it's fair to look at KNYC's total of 1.70in and assume that area wide we were all around 1.25+ but city south and east was probably 1.5-1.75...had you guys been a little colder and not had as much sleet and freezing rain you would have easily ended up with over 18 maybe 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJwinter23 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Mount Holly PNS has elected to add my 13.5" measurement for part 2 rather than my 17.5" storm totalincluding the morning part. Okay, I've made this point in 4 different threads, I'll let it go for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowlover11 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I've had 13", 14.5", and 14" for my biggest storms this winter, and I'm generally fairly conservative measuring. I've never seen a progression of snowstorms of this nature with snowpack remaining on the ground; this is simply historic. I am in awe of the amount of heavy snow I've seen this winter. I believe you this time....extreme Southern Westchester just got hammered. Looking back on radar loops, you were clearly in the 30-35dbz when I was under 25-30dbz for much of the storm. My mom's school, Mount Vernon, closed...we only had delays up this way though I wasn't called in to sub anyway. Wow, Mount Vernon closed? Bronxville had 2 hour delays that I saw, yet all the sidewalks and even the public parking lot for the train is still snowed in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaner587 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Wow, Mount Vernon closed? Bronxville had 2 hour delays that I saw, yet all the sidewalks and even the public parking lot for the train is still snowed in. we ended up with 14.0 here in valhalla and the snowpack is off the charts in areas sheltered from the wind/sun. I posted this last night but since it snowed more since I posted, snow depth is as high as 25 inches in some areas(and to be honest its nearly impossible to break through the bottom layer of ice from melted and refrozen Dec 26th crap so it actually could be around 28in)...that matches up well with Nzuckers snow depth in the wooded areas. Also similar elevation around 400' up here. correction: 360' according to this.. http://www.daftlogic.com/sandbox-google-maps-find-altitude.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorEaster27 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 THey probably just aren't used to seeing the username "Noreaster" with more than "1-3" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTNoreaster Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 The 14.8 total from Westport CT has to be bogus. This isn't the first time that this spotter was too conservative with totals... not sure what the deal it I have measured on average 16-17 inches in 5 different spots, All surrounding towns report a least 16.5-18 inches, including Norwalk right to our west with 18. Maybe I should send in an email to Upton to tell that spotter to come back in for retraining! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorEaster27 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I dont know why it isnt in there-- they took my 16.4 right away http://www.erh.noaa....ow¢eron=BOX BTW there's a 19.5 in there from Rahway, same place that got 32" in the Xmas day after blizzard. I usually report every storm, odd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jconsor Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Nice summary of liquid equivalents around the area: http://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=NWS&issuedby=OKX&product=RTP&format=CI&version=1&glossary=0 Several stations in the immediate NYC metro area had about 2" liquid equivalent - Central Park, Harrison, NJ, EWR. Amounts decreased to 1-1.5" liquid across Suffolk County. The fact that 3 stations reported EXACTLY 1.00" is a bit suspicious - sounds like there may have been some post-storm estimating. This is some of the most waterlogged snow I've had in a very long time. It looks quite pretty because it's still stuck to everything here. Does anyone know what the liquid equivalents were for the snow around the Tri-state? Has to have been at least 1.5" or more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Analog96 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Nice summary of liquid equivalents around the area: http://forecast.weat...on=1&glossary=0 Several stations in the immediate NYC metro area had about 2" liquid equivalent - Central Park, Harrison, NJ, EWR. Amounts decreased to 1-1.5" liquid across Suffolk County. The fact that 3 stations reported EXACTLY 1.00" is a bit suspicious - sounds like there may have been some post-storm estimating. I had 1.47 FWIW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-X Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I usually report every storm, odd I found one 20.0 report from Staten Island ...RICHMOND COUNTY... GREAT KILLS 20.0 1000 AM 1/27 PUBLIC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorEaster27 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Nice summary of liquid equivalents around the area: http://forecast.weat...on=1&glossary=0 Several stations in the immediate NYC metro area had about 2" liquid equivalent - Central Park, Harrison, NJ, EWR. Amounts decreased to 1-1.5" liquid across Suffolk County. The fact that 3 stations reported EXACTLY 1.00" is a bit suspicious - sounds like there may have been some post-storm estimating. The JFK estimate is clearly wrong, the radar was pretty similar for this storm in NYC as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-X Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Nice summary of liquid equivalents around the area: http://forecast.weat...on=1&glossary=0 Several stations in the immediate NYC metro area had about 2" liquid equivalent - Central Park, Harrison, NJ, EWR. Amounts decreased to 1-1.5" liquid across Suffolk County. The fact that 3 stations reported EXACTLY 1.00" is a bit suspicious - sounds like there may have been some post-storm estimating. lol so in the case of JFK they got the liquid equivalent and the snowfall amt wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-X Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 The JFK estimate is clearly wrong, the radar was pretty similar for this storm in NYC as a whole. How hard is it to stick a ruler in the ground and measure snow? I mean, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I think it's fair to look at KNYC's total of 1.70in and assume that area wide we were all around 1.25+ but city south and east was probably 1.5-1.75...had you guys been a little colder and not had as much sleet and freezing rain you would have easily ended up with over 18 maybe 20. I could only imagine if that thunder sleet we had for 20 minutes had been snow. Those were some of the most ferocious pingers I can recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jconsor Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Agreed. Obs like these from JFK - 3 straight hours of 1/8 mi or less visibility - cast even more doubt on their snowfall report. Their visibilities were lower than LGA and EWR for all three of these obs. Perhaps the strong winds contributed to the relatively lower visibilities, but considering how wet the snow was I doubt it. METAR KJFK 270651Z 35016KT 1/8SM R04R/2800V4000FT SN FZFG VV006 M01/M02 A2957 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/2 SLP011 SNINCR 2/11 PRESENT WX DRSN P0016 T10061022 $ METAR KJFK 270551Z 36019KT 1/8SM R04R/1000V1200FT +SN FZFG VV004 M01/M02 A2955 RMK AO2 PK WND 36026/0512 SFC VIS 1/4 SLP004 SNINCR 2/9 PRESENT WX DRSN 4/009 P0017 60046 T10061022 10011 21006 53012 $ METAR KJFK 270451Z 34013KT 1/8SM R04R/1200V1600FT +SN FG VV003 00/M02 A2958 RMK AO2 PK WND 36037/0425 SFC VIS 1/4 SLP016 SNINCR 1/7 PRESENT WX DRSN P0011 T00001017 400111039 $ METAR KJFK 270351Z 36026G34KT 0SM R04R/1600V1800FT +SN FZFG BLSN VV002 M01/M02 A2947 RMK AO2 PK WND 36034/0349 SFC VIS 1/4 PLE00 PRESFR SLP979 SNINCR 1/6 P0012 T10061022 $ The JFK estimate is clearly wrong, the radar was pretty similar for this storm in NYC as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-X Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I could only imagine if that thunder sleet we had for 20 minutes had been snow. Those were some of the most ferocious pingers I can recall. It literally sounded like glass was breaking! Maybe 2 inches of snow in 20 min lol if it had been all snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Nice summary of liquid equivalents around the area: http://forecast.weat...on=1&glossary=0 Several stations in the immediate NYC metro area had about 2" liquid equivalent - Central Park, Harrison, NJ, EWR. Amounts decreased to 1-1.5" liquid across Suffolk County. The fact that 3 stations reported EXACTLY 1.00" is a bit suspicious - sounds like there may have been some post-storm estimating. Wow, 23 inch snowdepth at Central Park. Don't see that every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorEaster27 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 How hard is it to stick a ruler in the ground and measure snow? I mean, really. i guess its harder when they are measuring from an exposed roof top location on jamaica bay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-X Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Agreed. Obs like these from JFK - 3 straight hours of 1/8 mi or less visibility - cast even more doubt on their snowfall report. Their visibilities were lower than LGA and EWR for all three of these obs. Perhaps the strong winds contributed to the relatively lower visibilities, but considering how wet the snow was I doubt it. METAR KJFK 270651Z 35016KT 1/8SM R04R/2800V4000FT SN FZFG VV006 M01/M02 A2957 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/2 SLP011 SNINCR 2/11 PRESENT WX DRSN P0016 T10061022 $ METAR KJFK 270551Z 36019KT 1/8SM R04R/1000V1200FT +SN FZFG VV004 M01/M02 A2955 RMK AO2 PK WND 36026/0512 SFC VIS 1/4 SLP004 SNINCR 2/9 PRESENT WX DRSN 4/009 P0017 60046 T10061022 10011 21006 53012 $ METAR KJFK 270451Z 34013KT 1/8SM R04R/1200V1600FT +SN FG VV003 00/M02 A2958 RMK AO2 PK WND 36037/0425 SFC VIS 1/4 SLP016 SNINCR 1/7 PRESENT WX DRSN P0011 T00001017 400111039 $ METAR KJFK 270351Z 36026G34KT 0SM R04R/1600V1800FT +SN FZFG BLSN VV002 M01/M02 A2947 RMK AO2 PK WND 36034/0349 SFC VIS 1/4 PLE00 PRESFR SLP979 SNINCR 1/6 P0012 T10061022 $ And I think one of them had 0.0 vis! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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