skierinvermont Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 You referring to this? :lol: No. Here, I will quote the important text for you: GISS's ModelE used in IPCC: The frozen version used for IPCC AR4 simulations (see below) and the controls for model description papers is denoted as ModelE1 (internal version number 3.0, dated Feb. 1, 2004). This code can be freely downloaded (as a 1.2 MB gzip-ed tar file) frommodelE1.tar.gz. http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/modelE/ NCAR's CSM also used in the IPCC report: CCSM3.0 source code (23 June 2004) -- This is the original 3.0 software release.<br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; ">This source code is disseminated via the Earth System Grid (ESG). A short registration is required. http://www.cesm.ucar.edu/models/ccsm3.0/#src Shall I continue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BethesdaWX Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 No. Here, I will quote the important text for you: Well, unfortunately for you..........I got that from your link..... You dont even know what you're posting, because you do not READ anything...even you own links. this is why you post BS like this. You think what you're posting is something that I dont understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skierinvermont Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Wow you are just so unbelievably stupid. I am done here. I will leave it to anybody who wants to to CLICK on my links and DOWNLOAD the actual climate models used in the IPCC report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BethesdaWX Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Wow you are just so unbelievably stupid. I am done here. I will leave it to anybody who wants to to CLICK on my links and DOWNLOAD the actual climate models used in the IPCC report. Where do you think I got it from? YOUR LINK Try reading you own links more carefully, that way, perhaps you can avoid further humiliation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skierinvermont Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Where do you think I got it from? YOUR LINK Try reading you own links more carefully, that way, perhaps you can avoid further humiliation. No you didn't. The link you posted was not one of my links. The correct link leads you to a list of peer reviewed studies that document the development of the GFDL model. Stop embarrassing yourself. Anybody that actually clicks on the links will see that you are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skierinvermont Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 If you click on the actual link to the GFDL model that I posted you will see the following: http://nomads.gfdl.noaa.gov/CM2.X/references/ GFDL authored CM2 papers:The final configuration of the GFDL CM2.0 model was determined in early 2004. The first IPCC-related experiment to be run using CM2.0 (CM2Q_Control-1860_d2) was launched in late April 2004. Other CM2.0 IPCC-related experiments followed until the simulations were completed during autumn 2004. The second member of the CM2.x family of models, CM2.1, was finalized in the late summer of 2004 and the first CM2.1 IPCC-related experiments were launched in September 2004. Drafts of papers documenting various aspects of the CM2.0 and CM2.1 models have been submitted and analysis work continues at GFDL. The CM2.x papers began to appear in refereed journals in 2005. Additional papers authored by GFDL scientists and reporting on various aspects of these model simulations, will continue to appear for some time. <br style="font-size: 1em; "> A set of four CM2.x papers appear in a Special Section of the March 2006 edition of the Journal of Climate. From the Journal of Climate, Volume 19, Number 5, March 2006: Preface to the Special Section, T. Delworth. Journal of Climate, (2006), Vol. 19, No. 5, page 641. <br style="font-size: 1em; ">[HTML version of Preface] GFDL's CM2 global coupled climate models - Part 1: Formulation and simulation characteristics, Delworth et al., Journal of Climate, (2006), Vol. 19, No. 5, pages 643-674.<br style="font-size: 1em; ">[7.2 MB pdf] <br style="font-size: 1em; "> GFDL's CM2 global coupled climate models - Part 2: The baseline ocean simulation, Gnanadesikan et al., Journal of Climate, (2006), Vol. 19, No. 5, pages 675-697.<br style="font-size: 1em; ">[3.7 MB pdf] <br style="font-size: 1em; "> GFDL's CM2 global coupled climate models - Part 3: Tropical Pacific climate and ENSO, Wittenberg et al., Journal of Climate, (2006), Vol. 19, No. 5, pages 698-722.<br style="font-size: 1em; ">[4.6 MB pdf] <br style="font-size: 1em; "> GFDL's CM2 global coupled climate models - Part 4: Idealized climate response, Stouffer et al., Journal of Climate, (2006), Vol. 19, No. 5, 723-740.<br style="font-size: 1em; ">[2.8 MB pdf] <br clear="all" style="font-size: 1em; "> Other papers that document various components of the CM2.x models are available for download. They include CM2.x Ocean Component: A detailed paper documenting the formulation of the ocean component of the CM2 models, with a focus on 12 relatively novel features, has been published inOcean Science.<br style="font-size: 1em; ">Formulation of an ocean model for global climate simulations, S.M. Griffies, A. Gnanadesikan, K.W. Dixon, J.P. Dunne, R. Gerdes, M.J. Harrison, A. Rosati, J. Russell, B.L. Samuels, M.J. Spelman, M. Winton, R. Zhang, Ocean Science, vol. 1, pages 45-79.<br style="font-size: 1em; ">[5 MB pdf] CM2.0 Atmosphere & CM2.x Land Components:: A paper documenting a variant of the atmosphere and land model components of CM2.0 has recently appeared in the Journal of Climate.<br style="font-size: 1em; ">The New GFDL Global Atmosphere and Land Model AM2-LM2: Evaluation with Prescribed SST Simulations. The GFDL Global Atmospheric Model Development Team, Journal of Climate (2004), volume 17, number 24, pages 4641-4673.<br style="font-size: 1em; ">[3 MB pdf] CM2.x Land Component: A variant of the land model component of the CM2.x models is documented in the following paper.<br style="font-size: 1em; ">Global modeling of land water and energy balances. Part I: The land dynamics (LaD) model. Milly, P. C. D., and A. B. Shmakin, Journal of Hydrometeorology, (2002), volume 3, number 3, pages 283-299.<br style="font-size: 1em; ">[0.5 MB pdf] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BethesdaWX Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 HAHAHAHAHA.....you don't read your own sh*t! http://nomads.gfdl.n...2.X/references/ Scroll to: http://nomads.gfdl.n...42-19-5-643.pdf There are 3 more below that. Click #4 Now, can you see why this implementation you pose is BS? Now, respond to my original argument about the validity of such! OK? u...n...d...e...r..s...t..a...n..d? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skierinvermont Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Trying to have a conversation with you literally makes me want to cry. You claim that the code to the global climate models is not public. I link directly to the CODE and DOCUMENTATION to the models in the IPCC report. And yet you just keep blathering on. Most people would know when to stop and admit their mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skierinvermont Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 HAHAHAHAHA.....you don't read your own sh*t! http://nomads.gfdl.n...2.X/references/ Scroll to: http://nomads.gfdl.n...42-19-5-643.pdf There are 3 more below that. Click #4 Now, can you see why this implementation you pose is BS? Now, respond to my original argument about the validity of such! OK? u...n...d...e...r..s...t..a...n..d? Why the **** would you click on that instead of the dozen papers documenting the development of the GFDL climate model? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BethesdaWX Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Trying to have a conversation with you literally makes me want to cry. You claim that the code to the global climate models is not public. I link directly to the CODE and DOCUMENTATION to the models in the IPCC report. And yet you just keep blathering on. Maybe you misunderstood what I mean by "code"? I'm not speaking of the final variables put into the models..... Either way, those were not the models in question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BethesdaWX Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Why the **** would you click on that instead of the dozen papers documenting the development of the GFDL climate model? I dunno, maybe because that was discussing the development of the model? just stop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BethesdaWX Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Trying to have a conversation with you literally makes me want to cry. You claim that the code to the global climate models is not public. I link directly to the CODE and DOCUMENTATION to the models in the IPCC report. And yet you just keep blathering on. Most people would know when to stop and admit their mistake. Maybe you misunderstood what I mean by "code"? I'm not speaking of the final variables put into the models..... Either way, those were not the models in question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skierinvermont Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Maybe you misunderstood what I mean by "code"? I'm not speaking of the final variables put into the models..... Either way, those were not the models in question. I am not either. I have provided you with the COMPUTER CODE used in the models which is incredibly long and none of us understand because we are not computer programmers. I have provided you with the CODE for the GISS ModelE used in IPCC. modelE1.tar.gz. I have provided you with the CODE for NCAR's CSM3.0 used in IPCC. http://www.cesm.ucar...ls/ccsm3.0/#src I have provided you with the DOCUMENTATION for NOAA's GFDL used in IPCC. TRY READING NEXT TIME Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BethesdaWX Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 I am not either. I have provided you with the COMPUTER CODE used in the models which is incredibly long and none of us understand because we are not computer programmers. I have provided you with the CODE for the GISS ModelE used in IPCC. I have provided you with the CODE for NCAR's CSM3.0 used in IPCC. I have provided you with the DOCUMENTATION for NOAA's GFDL used in IPCC. FAIL You make no sense. I am not discussing the final numbers put into the models.....you obviously are..... And the models you reference were not the ones I was referring to... again....3rd time now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skierinvermont Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 FAIL You make no sense. I am not discussing the final numbers put into the models.....you obviously are..... And the models you reference were not the ones I was referring to... again....3rd time now NEITHER AM I. I AM GIVING YOU THE COMPUTER MODEL CODE made by COMPUTER PROGRAMMERS. FOR THE IPCC CLIMATE MODELS. Anybody that doesn't believe me is free to click on the links I have provided. WHAT THE **** DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BethesdaWX Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 NEITHER AM I. I AM GIVING YOU THE COMPUTER MODEL CODE made by COMPUTER PROGRAMMERS. FOR THE IPCC CLIMATE MODELS. Anybody that doesn't believe me is free to click on the links I have provided. WHAT THE **** DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? I think you're smoking crack..... because what you just described is the final datacode put into the models! Aka, the code that the model uses to get the results....that code is the finished datacode that the model uses. omfg.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skierinvermont Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 I think you're smoking crack..... because what you just described is the final datacode put into the models! Aka, the code that the model uses to get the results....that code is the finished datacode that the model uses. omfg.... Wrong. You clicked on the wrong thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BethesdaWX Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Wrong. You clicked on the wrong thing. Do you want me to post the others? Up to you, I'm giving you the option.....because when I post them....., you'll look very bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skierinvermont Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Do you want me to post the others? Up to you, I'm giving you the option.....because when I post them....., you'll look very bad Go ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skierinvermont Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Do you want me to post the others? Up to you, I'm giving you the option.....because when I post them....., you'll look very bad Go ahead. Here is GISS's ModelE that is used in IPCC projections: http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/modelE/ The frozen version used for IPCC AR4 simulations (see below) and the controls for model description papers is denoted as ModelE1 (internal version number 3.0, dated Feb. 1, 2004). This code can be freely downloaded (as a 1.2 MB gzip-ed tar file) frommodelE1.tar.gz. NCAR's model CSM3.0 also used in the IPCC report. Retrieving the model code will simply require a brief registration. CCSM3.0 source code (23 June 2004) -- This is the original 3.0 software release.<br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; ">This source code is disseminated via the Earth System Grid (ESG). A short registration is required. http://www.cesm.ucar...ls/ccsm3.0/#src EdGCM, a climate model also produced by GISS and referred to as GCM II in the scientific literature is available here. You can even run this one on your computer to produce climate projections. http://edgcm.columbia.edu/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BethesdaWX Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 http://nomads.gfdl.noaa.gov/ http://nomads.gfdl.noaa.gov/CM2.X/references/i1520-0442-19-5-675.pdf http://nomads.gfdl.noaa.gov/CM2.X/references/i1520-0442-19-5-698.pdf Now....tell me, do any of these explain how the codes to the model were developed/derived? If so, Quote the EXACT PHRASE explaining such... because I dont see it. (you will not be able to, because these links just re-fluff a moot point). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skierinvermont Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 http://nomads.gfdl.noaa.gov/ http://nomads.gfdl.n...42-19-5-675.pdf http://nomads.gfdl.n...42-19-5-698.pdf Now....tell me, do any of these explain how the codes to the model were developed/derived? If so, Quote the EXACT PHRASE explaining such... because I dont see it. (you will not be able to, because these links just re-fluff a moot point). I already said for the GFDL model all I got was documentation for the method.. not the code itself. I gave you the code for GISS's modelE, for NCAR's CSM, and for GISS's GCM II. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BethesdaWX Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 I already said for the GFDL model all I got was documentation for the method.. not the code itself. I gave you the code for GISS's modelE, for NCAR's CSM, and for GISS's GCM II. Where did you say this? You were arguing to the contrary earlier. I don't care about anything related to GISS. I want Met Office, IRI, the models being used by the big companies to forecast & weight data sets. Those are not available to the public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skierinvermont Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Where did you say this? You were arguing to the contrary earlier. I don't care about anything related to GISS. I want Met Office, IRI, the models being used by the big companies to forecast & weight data sets. Those are not available to the public. GISS and NCAR are responsible for some of the primary models used in the IPCC reports. And I mean models to make the temperature PROJECTIONS. These are the models I have provided you with. This runs contrary to your blatantly false claim that the models used to make temperature projections are not publicly available. These models have been shared and used in hundreds of studies by other researchers. There are no "big companies" creating these models, they are government agencies. I also never said that I had provided the code for the GFDL model, I said quite specifically DOCUMENTATION. If only you would learn to read. Documentation for NOAA's GCM called GFDL CM2 is available here: http://nomads.gfdl.n...2.X/references/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeatherRusty Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 So what would a mini ice age look like again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Rogers Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 So what would a mini ice age look like again? I'll play devil's advocate and say you would probably start seeing major cities breaking all-time seasonal snowfall records. And you would also see record low blocking indexes (AO, NAO). http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/2001/2001_Shindell_etal_1.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skierinvermont Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 It probably highly depends on the mechanism that is actually causing the mini-ice age. A global cooling of .5-.8C really is not that significant.. it would be the regional effects associated with the causal mechanism that would be most apparent. I think there is decent evidence that prolonged low solar activity weakens the stratospheric vortex and allows for more blocking. I think there is virtually no chance of a mini-ice age (barring a mega-volcano or large asteroid) but there is a decent chance of prolonged low solar activity which could have regional effects which could be quite like a mini-ice age even though the globe would still be quite toasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Rogers Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 It probably highly depends on the mechanism that is actually causing the mini-ice age. A global cooling of .5-.8C really is not that significant.. it would be the regional effects associated with the causal mechanism that would be most apparent. I think there is decent evidence that prolonged low solar activity weakens the stratospheric vortex and allows for more blocking. I think there is virtually no chance of a mini-ice age (barring a mega-volcano or large asteroid) but there is a decent chance of prolonged low solar activity which could have regional effects which could be quite like a mini-ice age even though the globe would still be quite toasty. So are the snowfall records and record atmospheric blocking levels of the last two winters caused by anthropogenic climate change (reduced Arctic ice) or related to the sub-Dalton minimum current solar behavior, I wonder? And if the latter, isn't that a possible mini regional ice age in the making?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skierinvermont Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 So are the snowfall records and record atmospheric blocking levels of the last two winters caused by anthropogenic climate change (reduced Arctic ice) or related to the sub-Dalton minimum current solar behavior, I wonder? And if the latter, isn't that a possible mini regional ice age in the making?!? Well I always thought that it would take more than a few years for low solar to weaken the stratospheric vortex. So I don't really understand how the recent blocking is primarily related to solar. I don't know though I don't really know a lot about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 NEITHER AM I. I AM GIVING YOU THE COMPUTER MODEL CODE made by COMPUTER PROGRAMMERS. FOR THE IPCC CLIMATE MODELS. Anybody that doesn't believe me is free to click on the links I have provided. WHAT THE **** DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? Mods? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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