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Corpus going with hard freezes likely and highs not getting out of the 30's mid to late week. They mention some over running clouds and perhaps some moisture giving some credit to the Canadian. Midland/Odessa is issuing an SWS regarding the much colder air and mentions light precip throughout the period.

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And out fly the SWS...

SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SAN ANGELO TX

410 PM CST SAT JAN 29 2011

TXZ049-054-064>066-071>073-076>078-098-099-113-114-127-128-139-

140-154-155-168>170-301100-

FISHER-NOLAN-STERLING-COKE-RUNNELS-IRION-TOM GREEN-CONCHO-

CROCKETT-SCHLEICHER-SUTTON-HASKELL-THROCKMORTON-JONES-SHACKELFORD-

TAYLOR-CALLAHAN-COLEMAN-BROWN-MCCULLOCH-SAN SABA-MENARD-KIMBLE-

MASON-

INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...ROTAN...ROBY...SWEETWATER...

STERLING CITY...ROBERT LEE...BRONTE...BALLINGER...WINTERS...

MERTZON...SAN ANGELO...EDEN...OZONA...ELDORADO...SONORA...

HASKELL...THROCKMORTON...WOODSON...STAMFORD...ANSON...HAMLIN...

ALBANY...ABILENE...CLYDE...BAIRD...CROSS PLAINS...COLEMAN...

BROWNWOOD...BRADY...SAN SABA...MENARD...JUNCTION...MASON

410 PM CST SAT JAN 29 2011

...CHANCE OF ICE AND SNOW MONDAY NIGHT INTO TUESDAY...

...MUCH COLDER TEMPERATURES THIS WEEK...

ALTHOUGH THERE REMAINS A GREAT DEAL OF UNCERTAINTY ABOUT THE

AMOUNTS OF ICE AND SNOW THAT MAY FALL ACROSS WEST CENTRAL TEXAS

MONDAY NIGHT AND TUESDAY...THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR HIGH ENOUGH

ACCUMULATIONS TO CREATE DANGEROUS TRAVEL CONDITIONS ACROSS

PORTIONS OF THE AREA. IN ADDITION...WIND CHILL READINGS BELOW ZERO

WILL BE POSSIBLE ON TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY. THIS PROLONGED COLD WILL

CREATE HAZARDOUS CONDITIONS FOR LIVESTOCK AND OUTDOOR PETS.

EXPOSED PIPES MAY FREEZE AND BURST IF THEY ARE NOT PROPERLY INSULATED.

A STRONG UPPER LEVEL STORM SYSTEM WILL MOVE ACROSS THE SOUTHWESTERN

UNITED STATES ON MONDAY. AT THE SAME TIME A CANADIAN AIR MASS WILL

BE MOVING SOUTH INTO THE CENTRAL US. THIS COLD AIR MASS WILL

APPROACH WEST CENTRAL TEXAS DURING THE EARLY MORNING HOURS ON

TUESDAY AND PERSIST THROUGH THE REST OF THE WEEK.

THE UPPER LEVEL STORM SYSTEM AND THE COLD FRONT BRING

PRECIPITATION ACROSS WEST CENTRAL TEXAS MONDAY NIGHT. AFTER

MIDNIGHT...THE RAIN WILL LIKELY CHANGE OVER TO SLEET AND SNOW AS

THE COLDER AIR MASS MOVES INTO THE AREA. THE WINTRY PRECIPITATION

WILL END DURING THE DAY ON TUESDAY.

GIVEN THE UNCERTAINTY WITH BOTH THE TIMING OF THE STORM SYSTEM AND

THE FRONT...ADJUSTMENTS WILL BE MADE TO THE FORECAST AS WE GET

CLOSER TO THE EVENT. STAY TUNED TO NOAA WEATHER RADIO...YOUR LOCAL

TV AND RADIO...AND OUR NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE WEB PAGE FOR

UPDATES.

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18Z GFS verbatim doesn't have the Metroplex ice storm.

What is more cool, the 60ºF isodrosotherm is near HOU, and while SWODY1 leans towards elevated around here, I think in January if we get above 60, things could get at least potentially interesting.

Just a general note, not in response to your comment. I'd be more willing to trust the NAM and other higher resolution models at this point, considering the shallow nature of this arctic air. FWD noted the same thing in yesterday's afternoon discussion.Obviously the southern offices are trusting more in the NAM. For those who have not read it, the San Angelo AFD is quite interesting this afternoon.

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Just a general note, not in response to your comment. I'd be more willing to trust the NAM and other higher resolution models at this point, considering the shallow nature of this arctic air. FWD noted the same thing in yesterday's afternoon discussion.Obviously the southern offices are trusting more in the NAM. For those who have not read it, the San Angelo AFD is quite interesting this afternoon.

Hopefully wall_cloud will pop in and offer some opinions regarding this situation.

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Just a general note, not in response to your comment. I'd be more willing to trust the NAM and other higher resolution models at this point, considering the shallow nature of this arctic air. FWD noted the same thing in yesterday's afternoon discussion.Obviously the southern offices are trusting more in the NAM. For those who have not read it, the San Angelo AFD is quite interesting this afternoon.

The word 'verbatim' sort of was meant to imply it may not be right. And it is the 18Z GFS. On the other hand, since the change to the WRF as the main meso model, I think its been a step backwards beyond 2 days. At this range, I'd lean towards the GFS but remember it tends to bias warm (and be late on frontal passage) because of coarser resolution when shallow cold airmasses are involved. THe 12Z GFS, adjusted this way, is potentially ugly for DFW.

I'm letting my bitterness about cold and not freezing/frozen likely in HOU area leak through. I hate dry cold. Or rainy cold.

I'm not discounting some Winter Wx fun for the Metroplex.

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I am growing concerned about significant icing potential in the DFW Metroplex, based on 12z GFS and 18z Nam. Perhaps accumulations of 1/2 an inch or greater in parts of the Metroplex. Still not sold on very much on a lot of snow for the area, more concerned with icing. This airmass is going to be very shallow, at least during the majority of the precipitation. This all points to a period of freezing rain quickly switching to sleet. I bet sleet ends up being the predominate precip type. I cannot remember a setup like this with this kind of bitter cold slipping southward and this potent of a low interacting with the cold air that DFW did not pick up some sort of wintry precipitation in the last 30 years.

The NWS is calling for the coldest air in a few years, but last January (2010) we reached 13°F at DFW, and I think we can do that here again. For it to be the coldest in years, I would like temps to get to 10°F or below. The last time we hit that cold was 8°F in February 1996. Not quite sure that we can get that cold this time. However, anything is possible if we get snow/ice on the ground and a good radiational cooling setup.

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SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FORT WORTH TX

1015 PM CST SAT JAN 29 2011

TXZ091>095-100>107-115>121-123-129>134-141-301130-

MONTAGUE-COOKE-GRAYSON-FANNIN-LAMAR-YOUNG-JACK-WISE-DENTON-COLLIN-

HUNT-DELTA-HOPKINS-STEPHENS-PALO PINTO-PARKER-TARRANT-DALLAS-

ROCKWALL-KAUFMAN-RAINS-EASTLAND-ERATH-HOOD-SOMERVELL-JOHNSON-

ELLIS-COMANCHE-

1015 PM CST SAT JAN 29 2011

...WINTER STORM OUTLOOK FOR NORTH TEXAS...

ON TUESDAY FEBRUARY 1ST...AN ARCTIC COLD FRONT WILL ARRIVE IN

NORTH TEXAS WITH QUICKLY DROPPING TEMPERATURES DURING THE DAY.

NEARLY ALL OF NORTH TEXAS IS FORECASTED TO BE BELOW FREEZING BY

TUESDAY EVENING. TEMPERATURES ARE NOT EXPECTED TO WARM ABOVE

FREEZING UNTIL EITHER THURSDAY OR FRIDAY. PRECIPITATION IS EXPECTED

AHEAD OF AND BEHIND THE FRONT WHICH WILL BRING A WINTER MIX TO

PARTS OF NORTH TEXAS. HOWEVER...THERE ARE MODEL DISCREPANCIES ABOUT

WHEN THE SUB- FREEZING AIR WILL ARRIVE AND HOW MUCH PRECIPITATION

WILL FALL BEHIND THE FRONT WHEN SURFACE TEMPERATURES ARE BELOW

FREEZING.

LOCATIONS ALONG AND NORTH OF A LINE FROM COMANCHE TO ROCKWALL TO

SULPHUR SPRINGS WILL LIKELY SEE A MIX OF RAIN...FREEZING

RAIN...SLEET...AND OR SNOW ON TUESDAY. AT THIS TIME...IT APPEARS

THAT ICE ACCUMULATIONS MAY OCCUR IN THIS SAME AREA BUT THE

AMOUNT OF ICE IS STILL BEING DETERMINED. HOWEVER...SOME MODEL DATA

SUGGESTS SOME AREAS OF SIGNIFICANT ICE ACCUMULATIONS ARE POSSIBLE.

THE AMOUNT OF ICE ACCUMULATION WILL HIGHLY DEPEND ON HOW FAST

TEMPERATURES DROP BELOW FREEZING AND HOW FAST THE PRECIPITATION

MOVES EAST. THE FORECAST IS STILL BEING ASSESSED WITH EACH NEW

MODEL RUN AND WITH SIGNIFICANT DISCREPANCIES BETWEEN THE

MODELS...THE DETAILS AND POTENTIAL IMPACTS OF THIS WINTER WEATHER

EVENT ARE STILL BEING DETERMINED AND WILL BE BETTER RESOLVED IN

THE NEXT FEW DAYS. A WINTER WEATHER WATCH MAY BE ISSUED IN THE

NEXT 24 HOURS.

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I'm SOOO hoping this verifies for you and all your fropa-loving friends down there! What a thrill that would be...:wub:

Thanks! Probably no more than a few flakes, even if that, but that would be something extraordinary. Heck, this will be our first <32F of the season (and the first since 2004, if I remember correctly :P)

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Looks like a busted forecast for today’s severe weather event as the Upper Low is slower and not as strong as progged. I wonder how many busted forecasts lie ahead regarding the timing of the California storm? It does appear the frontal boundary is moving faster than forecasted earlier. It smells like a changeable situation to me. We will see. Hopefully the 12Z NCEP guidance with some RECON data will provide some answers to the finer details. Additional RECON missions are scheduled for today and tomorrow. SPC already has a Slight Risk in place for Eastern TX and points E for late Monday/early Tuesday. Good luck everyone...

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SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BROWNSVILLE TX

400 AM CST SUN JAN 30 2011

TXZ248>257-301800-

ZAPATA-JIM HOGG-BROOKS-KENEDY-STARR-HIDALGO-INLAND WILLACY-

INLAND CAMERON-COASTAL WILLACY-COASTAL CAMERON-

INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...ZAPATA...HEBBRONVILLE...FALFURRIAS...

SARITA...RIO GRANDE CITY...ROMA...MCALLEN...EDINBURG...PHARR...

MISSION...WESLACO...RAYMONDVILLE...BROWNSVILLE...HARLINGEN...

PORT MANSFIELD...PORT ISABEL...SOUTH PADRE ISLAND...

LAGUNA HEIGHTS...LAGUNA VISTA

400 AM CST SUN JAN 30 2011

...MASSIVE COLD AIR SURGE EXPECTED THIS WEEK...

A STRONG AREA OF HIGH PRESSURE...CURRENTLY LOCATED OVER SOUTH-

CENTRAL CANADA...WILL RAPIDLY PLUNGE THROUGH THE CENTRAL UNITED

STATES AND INTO TEXAS DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS. VERY COLD AND DRY

AIR ASSOCIATED WITH THE HIGH PRESSURE SYSTEM WILL BEGIN TO POUR

INTO DEEP SOUTH TEXAS TUESDAY MORNING AND AFTERNOON AS A COLD

FRONT SWEEPS THROUGH THE RIO GRANDE VALLEY FROM WEST TO EAST.

HIGH TEMPERATURES WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY WILL ONLY REACH THE LOW

TO MID 40S DUE TO THE MASSIVE SURGE OF COLD AIR WITH PARTLY TO

MOSTLY CLOUDY SKIES OVERHEAD. LOW TEMPERATURES THURSDAY AND FRIDAY

MORNING WILL RANGE FROM THE LOW TO MID 20S WITHIN ZAPATA...JIM

HOGG...BROOKS...AND KENEDY COUNTY...AND IN THE MID TO UPPER 20S

WITHIN STARR...HIDALGO...WILLACY...AND CAMERON COUNTY. THE ENTIRE

RIO GRANDE VALLEY...AND ALL OF DEEP SOUTH TEXAS...WILL LIKELY BE

UNDER A FREEZE WARNING OR HARD FREEZE WARNING THURSDAY AND FRIDAY

MORNING DUE TO THE EXPECTED INCREDIBLY COLD TEMPERATURES DURING

THOSE TIMES.

RESIDENTS ARE URGED TO CLOSELY MONITOR THIS DEVELOPING WEATHER

SITUATION TODAY THROUGH MONDAY...AND ARE ADVISED TO DEVELOP PLANS

TO PROTECT PEOPLE...PLANTS...PETS...AND PIPES FROM THE FREEZING

TEMPERATURES LATER THIS WEEK.

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Yeah, Jorge. Brownsville discussed the delima this morning...

THE MODEL TO MODEL CONSISTENCY IS MORE

PROBLEMATIC WITH THE GEM/GFS AND ECMWF ALL COMING IN WITH SERIOUS

TIMING DIFFERENCES AND DIFFERENCES CONCERN THE OVERALL STRENGTH

AND PLACEMENT OF THE MID LEVEL TROUGHS. THE GFS IS THE FASTEST AND

MOST NORTHWARD WITH THE PROGRESSION OF THE TROUGH AXIS WHILE THE

GEM IS THE SLOWEST WITH THE MOVEMENT OF THIS FEATURE. THE ECMWF

AND THE GFS ARE IN BETTER AGREEMENT VERSUS THE GEM WITH THE

OVERALL HANDLING OF THIS SYSTEM WITH THE GEM BEING THE OUTLIER AT

THIS TIME. SO WILL GO WITH THE GFS AND ECMWF SOLUTION. BOTH THESE

MODELS KEEP THE SIGNIFICANT DEEPER MOISTURE POOLED EAST OF THE TX

COASTLINE OVER THE GULF OF MEX. SO AT THIS TIME DO NOT EXPECT A

PROBLEM WITH SIGNIFICANT OVERRUNNING PCPN. HOWEVER IF THE GFS AND

ECMWF TREND CLOSER TO THE GEM SOLUTION THERE MAY BE A NEED TO

INCLUDE SOME MENTION OF POPS IN THE LONGER RANGE. IF THIS

OVERRUNNING PCPN SOLUTION DEVELOPS IN THE MODELS THIS COULD RESULT

IN SOME FREEZING OR FROZEN PCPN. FOR NOW WILL LEAVE THIS OUT OF

THE EXTENDED RANGE FORECAST WORDING.

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Nah, models have had that for days. This is the surface reflections of the southern stream wave that was to result in TSRA across TX last night.

Yeah, I see temps will rebound somewhat tomorrow. Just thought it was interesting to see those gusty N winds across OK and noting pressure rises in the N Plains. Good to see you around, wall_cloud.;)

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To my untrained eye, there is nothing overly exciting about the 12z NAM or GFS verbatimly speaking. However, I wouldn't want to be on the hook for that forecast! It looks we will be right on the fence and any number of factors could tip the metroplex into a morning rush hour madhouse. I wonder if the poor model performance on the shortwave today is a sign of things to come?

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