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January 26-27 Snowstorm Disco III


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At the risk of everyone jumping down my throat and saying "don't look at the qpf", what is the thinking on that? At least with the GFS it apperas like a pretty sharp cut-off with essentilaly nothing west of the Hudson. Very different than what ALY was honking about yesterday (granted, that was not based on any GFS guidance).

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So FWIW...the Coolwx 12z GFS time series (don't know how accurate precip type is as compared to say BUFKIT) have BDL at 1.175" QPF...all snow. HVN and BDR are both well over 1" QPF of snow...with maybe about 0.2" of FZRA. Even has GON with over 1" QPF of snow after about 0.5" of rain.

BDL: http://coolwx.com/cgi-bin/getbufr.cgi?region=CT&stn=KBDL&model=gfs&time=2011012412&field=prec

BDR: http://coolwx.com/cgi-bin/getbufr.cgi?region=CT&stn=KBDR&model=gfs&time=2011012412&field=prec

HVN: http://coolwx.com/cgi-bin/getbufr.cgi?region=CT&stn=KHVN&model=gfs&time=2011012412&field=prec

GON: http://coolwx.com/cgi-bin/getbufr.cgi?region=CT&stn=KGON&model=gfs&time=2011012412&field=prec

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It would be nice to get one of these to hit northern VT and northern NY... however, if that were to happen everyone further south and east need to change to sleet (ie Valentines Day or St Patty's Day 2007).

I am so happy we have upslope to compensate for missing synoptic snows, otherwise I'd probably be jumping off the nearest bridge. I still can't believe how we have an 18-20" snow depth yet have missed just about every single one of these storms.

166" of upslope fluffy on the season at the mountain starting Nov 1st (and that's not counting the 38" that fell in October, so true seasonal total is now over 200").

Roughly 80" so far in town, so it hasn't been that bad of a winter so far even with all the synoptic misses.

as much as id like that to happen, its not going to happen. we have a nice pack here as well that we are building at half-speed, so it makes it a lot easier to take.

im a man of science myself (not meterorology), so yes, it is somewhat disturbing that using the paradigm 'it snows where it wants to snow' is the most accurate regional forecast technique.:lol: once the pattern locks in the winter, it usually follows. negNAO/posNAO/negPNA/posPNA/EPO....whatever......ride it till it breaks down.

so were many of our latest winters.

2010-11.....SNE/ENE

2009-10....MA

2007-08...up here, NNE

when you think of all the model runs and all the pieces of eenrgy or things that could go wrong and then you look at the end result.......it just wants to snow, period.

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So FWIW...the Coolwx 12z GFS time series (don't know how accurate precip type is as compared to say BUFKIT) have BDL at 1.175" QPF...all snow. HVN and BDR are both well over 1" QPF of snow...with maybe about 0.2" of FZRA. Even has GON with over 1" QPF of snow after about 0.5" of rain.

BDL: http://coolwx.com/cg...2412&field=prec

BDR: http://coolwx.com/cg...2412&field=prec

HVN: http://coolwx.com/cg...2412&field=prec

GON: http://coolwx.com/cg...2412&field=prec

I can't see the 12z yet for KPVD won't looad on coolwx for me, care to share.

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So FWIW...the Coolwx 12z GFS time series (don't know how accurate precip type is as compared to say BUFKIT) have BDL at 1.175" QPF...all snow. HVN and BDR are both well over 1" QPF of snow...with maybe about 0.2" of FZRA. Even has GON with over 1" QPF of snow after about 0.5" of rain.

BDL: http://coolwx.com/cg...2412&field=prec

BDR: http://coolwx.com/cg...2412&field=prec

HVN: http://coolwx.com/cg...2412&field=prec

GON: http://coolwx.com/cg...2412&field=prec

Hah, I was just going to look at those, feeling great! We can take that hit.

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In fairness it was his hunch and best guess. He did say it wasn't etched in stone.

I'm one of the ones who defended him last night but his 11pm forecast was a bad one. Are any of the red-taggers interested/working toward doing weather on tv? If any of you guys have any type of on-air skills local tv execs would be willing to listen because the forecasters on this site are far superior to the vast majority of the people on local tv. And if you guys don't think you have the skills, there are ways to acquire them working with voice coaches/drama coaches.

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Ensembles are smack dab over the BM.

Novice question. The BM is offen refered to as the sweet spot for the best track, but I'm not sure if I should be hoping it tracks just inside the BM. I live in Mason NH which is just east of the Monadnocks. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated!

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I can't see the 12z yet for KPVD won't looad on coolwx for me, care to share.

You said you work in transportation....Will you be plowing, sanding? Public/private? This storm very well may feature a lot more liquid than the previous two big storms this season and PVD/Seekonk is probably on the fence of a significant/plowable event.

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At the risk of everyone jumping down my throat and saying "don't look at the qpf", what is the thinking on that? At least with the GFS it apperas like a pretty sharp cut-off with essentilaly nothing west of the Hudson. Very different than what ALY was honking about yesterday (granted, that was not based on any GFS guidance).

it is defintely an extreme cutoff and the euro suggested the same last night.

its going to be extra sharp......because the storm is southern stream, it comes north and really runs into the westerlies , resulting in a very sharp cutoff on the NW side.

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I'm one of the ones who defended him last night but his 11pm forecast was a bad one. Are any of the red-taggers interested/working toward doing weather on tv? If any of you guys have any type of on-air skills local tv execs would be willing to listen because the forecasters on this site are far superior to the vast majority of the people on local tv. And if you guys don't think you have the skills, there are ways to acquire them working with voice coaches/drama coaches.

I keep saying..I should be on tv..I just need someone to give me a chance

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Novice question. The BM is offen refered to as the sweet spot for the best track, but I'm not sure if I should be hoping it tracks just inside the BM. I live in Mason NH which is just east of the Monadnocks. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated!

You would probably want a track in between ACK and the BM..perhaps a bit closer to ACK, but this storm is not a classic one. I think something in between the BM and ACK would be better for you.This storm should have a rather large circulation and lots of warmer air with it. I think you are in a great spot right now.

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