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NYC/PHL Jan 25-27 Potential Bomb Part 5


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Upton seems to be dragging their feet a bit here, no updates to local forecasts or storm totals for about 12 hrs now..

They put out an HWO at about 0930 this morning in case you didn't see it.

HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK...UPDATEDNATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW YORK NY908 AM EST MON JAN 24 2011NYZ072>075-176-178-251100-NEW YORK (MANHATTAN)-BRONX-RICHMOND (STATEN ISLAND)-KINGS (BROOKLYN)-NORTHERN QUEENS-SOUTHERN QUEENS-908 AM EST MON JAN 24 2011THIS HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK IS FOR SOUTHEAST NEW YORK..DAY ONE...TODAY AND TONIGHT.HAZARDOUS WEATHER NOT EXPECTED AT THIS TIME..DAYS TWO THROUGH SEVEN...TUESDAY THROUGH SUNDAY.A STORM SYSTEM WILL MOVE FROM THE SOUTHEAST STATES TUESDAYNIGHT...TO EAST OF CAPE COD THURSDAY MORNING. THIS WILL BRING ACHANCE OF SNOW LATE TUESDAY NIGHT INTO WEDNESDAY MORNING...THENPRIMARILY RAIN LATE WEDNESDAY MORNING INTO WEDNESDAY EVENING...THAT WILL CHANGE BACK TO ALL SNOW LATER WEDNESDAY NIGHT. THE SNOWWILL TAPER OFF THURSDAY MORNING. THERE IS THE POTENTIAL FOR ASIGNIFICANT ACCUMULATION OF SNOWFALL.THERE IS STILL SOME UNCERTAINTY ON THE EXACT STORM TRACK ANDSTRENGTH...AND ON HOW MUCH WARM AIR WILL WORK INTO THE SYSTEM.STAY TUNED FOR FURTHER UPDATES..SPOTTER INFORMATION STATEMENT...SPOTTER ACTIVATION WILL LIKELY BE NEEDED ON WEDNESDAY.&&

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CCBs tend to have better than 10:1 ratios but nobody seems to think this will be possible along the coast...will this be an exception?

CCB's do well with ratios when temps are below freezing. In this case its a crapshoot.. there isn't a lot of cold air to pull from and its a downslope NW flow that brings it in while precip is falling. My bet is that most places will see temps around freezing, so ratios won't be as good as a normal CCB.

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Is Mt. Holly being serious? I'll take my 10.4 inches. I've been reading a huge mix with around 3-6 inches of snow.. can't say I was expecting that from Mt. Holly.

Does anyone know where around the mix line will be?

I'm not quite sure. I've commented about that in the Banter thread - they have our area from 1PM - 2PM with Rain; before and after that all snow. Doesn't really make sense.

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Upton usually updates around 3 am and 3 pm...should be updating soon. I'd suspect they put out a snowmap for the storm like Mt Holly

Well they did update it, but it looks nothing like Mt Holly's as they have it ending at 1pm tomorrow..

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Upton usually updates around 3 am and 3 pm...should be updating soon. I'd suspect they put out a snowmap for the storm like Mt Holly

.LONG TERM /TUESDAY NIGHT THROUGH MONDAY/...LATEST OVERNIGHT NWP GUIDANCE...CONTINUES TO SUPPORT A LOT OFUNCERTAINTY FOR THE NEXT COASTAL CYCLONE PROGGED TO IMPACT THEAREA WED INTO THU. 09Z SREF SHOWING LOW CHANCES OF WARNING LEVELSNOWS OVER THE INTERIOR AND THE 12Z NAM GIVING ONLY A GLANCINGSHOT OF PCPN. WILL BE COORDINATING WITH NCEP HPC AND NEIGHBORINGNWS OFFICES THIS AFTN. MORE TO COME AT 4 PM.

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12z EURO Snow Equivalent,

1" liquid snow line

Easton, MD starting point

East side

Easton, MD to Smyrna, DE to Cherry Hill, NJ to Trenton, to Staten Island, Crossing Manhattan, to Norwalk, CT does not go through LI

West Side

Easton, MD north to Lancaster PA, To Reading, Allentown, to East Stroudsburg, to Port Jarvis, NY to Kingston, NY to near Pittsfield, MA

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For those of us in the no man's land well west of PHL, AFD from CTP:

CONSENSUS BOUNDARY LAYER THERMODYNAMIC PROFILES FAVOR

SNOW FOR EVEN MY FARTHEST SOUTHEASTERN COUNTIES...WITH SFC LOW

STORM MOTION FROM 240 CARRYING THE SFC LOW JUST OFF THE DELAWARE

COAST BETWEEN 00Z/24 AND 06Z/24.

LATEST NCEP WWD SNOWFALL IS HEAVILY WEIGHTED ON THE ECMWF SOLUTION...

AND RANGES FROM 2-4" OVER THE CENTRAL MOUNTAINS (WITH LITTLE IF

ANY SNOWFALL NORTH OF I-80) TO 8-10" OVER EASTERN LANCASTER COUNTY

OVER MY FAR SOUTHEAST. OBVIOUSLY...SLIGHT CHANGES IN THE TRACK AND

INTENSITY AND ORIENTATION OF KEY BOUNDARY LAYER FEATURES/LLJ WILL

BE PARAMOUNT TO EVENTUAL SNOW ACCUMS. FOR NOW...MEAN GEFS STORM

TOTAL PRECIP AND ECMWF QPF ARE IN REASONABLE AGREEMENT AND

STRONGLY SUPPORT A LIGHT TO MODERATE SNOWFALL FOR CENTRAL AND

SOUTHEAST PORTIONS OF CENTRAL PA BEGINNING WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON AND

WRAPPING UP BEFORE 12Z THU.

WITH THIS IN MIND...DID NOT MAKE MUCH IN THE WAY OF CHANGES TO

GOING GRIDS FOR THE EXTENDED PERIOD AS OVERALL SCENARIO IS

DEPICTED WELL IN CURRENT FORECASTS AND EXACT DETAILS WON`T BE

KNOWN FOR STILL SOME TIME. A FEW TO SEVERAL INCHES OF SNOW APPEAR

LIKELY FROM PLACES LIKE STATE COLLEGE AND ALTOONA TO LANCASTER AND

YORK...WITH THE BEST CHANCE FOR 6" OR MORE EXTENDING TO THE

SOUTHEAST OF A BLOOMSBURG TO LEWISTOWN TO BEDFORD LINE.

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12z EURO Snow Equivalent,

1" liquid snow line

Easton, MD starting point

East side

Easton, MD to Smyrna, DE to Cherry Hill, NJ to Trenton, to Staten Island, Crossing Manhattan, to Norwalk, CT does not go through LI

West Side

Easton, MD north to Lancaster PA, To Reading, Allentown, to East Stroudsburg, to Port Jarvis, NY to Kingston, NY to near Pittsfield, MA

Lol...so per this I am looking at 10"+ here in SE NY (55 miles N of NYC @ ~700 ft) according to the 12z Euro and absolute zilch per the 12z nam (although 18z nam now shows maybe 3-5 inches)

Pretty much the story of this winter until about 24 hours or closer to the event...

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at 54hrs on the 18Z NAM it appears as if the northern stream is trying to phase in...am i seeing things?

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I am in 100% discard mode for the NAM - it is starting to pay catch up on precip and I expect it'll keep doing that for its next few runs.

Glad I don't forecast for a living - but this is starting to come into better agreement ... rain to snow for NYC, with perhaps a period of sleet in between depending on how cleanly the cold air comes in on the backside.

Won't speculate on accums for the NYC area yet but backlash snows are very high on bust potential. Not nearly as uniform as the WAA snows you get on the "positive x-axis" side of the storm. Will have a first forecast map out tonight.

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