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Patience will certainly be a virtue. We are still 10 days out until things probably start getting interesting. I'm not holding out a ton of hope for the T-day event...but maybe it will surprise us.

We also won't see any individual snow threats until we are a lot closer...the ensemble mean smooths out any shortwaves in the flow so we'd never see it this far out.

ten days.....? :gun_bandana:

turkety day is certainly an interesting set up....and that is 8 .

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ten days.....? :gun_bandana:

turkety day is certainly an interesting set up....and that is 8 .

Hopefully the NAO can exert some force and push the boundary southward for Thanksgiving. I'm still leaning towards the actual storm being too warm but it'll finally bring the cold air southward behind it.

18z GFS seems pretty close to what I'm thinking for that system. I just don't think we get the cold in here in time for a lot of wintery precip.

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Kevin must be creaming his jeans over Gibbs, Wes and yours posts in Wes,s pinned thread.

All I can say is, go back to last year before we start saying this will be a great winter...

Last year in November was " Man, December's pattern looks awesome were gonna get killed"

Last year in December was "Oh well, we missed a KU but January looks to be great"

Last year in January was" Its so damn cold, we didn't get any storms, but the pattern is there!"

Last year in February was "But it looks good at 500mb!"

Last year in March was " Holy S*** what the hell just happened that winter :axe:"

I think I'll set my bar pretty low for this year

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All I can say is, go back to last year before we start saying this will be a great winter...

Last year in November was " Man, December's pattern looks awesome were gonna get killed"

Last year in December was "Oh well, we missed a KU but January looks to be great"

Last year in January was" Its so damn cold, we didn't get any storms, but the pattern is there!"

Last year in February was "But it looks good at 500mb!"

Last year in March was " Holy S*** what the hell just happened that winter :axe:"

I think I'll set my bar pretty low for this year

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All I can say is, go back to last year before we start saying this will be a great winter...

Last year in November was " Man, December's pattern looks awesome were gonna get killed"

Last year in December was "Oh well, we missed a KU but January looks to be great"

Last year in January was" Its so damn cold, we didn't get any storms, but the pattern is there!"

Last year in February was "But it looks good at 500mb!"

Last year in March was " Holy S*** what the hell just happened that winter :axe:"

I think I'll set my bar pretty low for this year

I think I had above avg snowfall in every single month of December, January, and February....the problem was I got almost nothing in March. :lol:

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I think I had above avg snowfall in every single month of December, January, and February....the problem was I got almost nothing in March. :lol:

It wasn't a bad winter, I just think we got REALLY unlucky to put it in simple terms. if that block is 300 miles north we get hammered and MA gets rain

When's the last time we had a good march???

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It wasn't a bad winter, I just think we got REALLY unlucky to put it in simple terms. if that block is 300 miles north we get hammered and MA gets rain

Forget that even....if that damn little shortwave rotating around the base of the block is not there or weaker...we get PDII redux on Feb 5-6 instead of it hitting a brick wall just S of NYC.

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It wasn't a bad winter, I just think we got REALLY unlucky to put it in simple terms. if that block is 300 miles north we get hammered and MA gets rain

When's the last time we had a good march???

Is that you in that picture? Or Burt Reynolds?

If the pattern shaping up next week and beyond bears fruit..you'll be picking all winter long

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12z ECMWF Ensemble Mean 500mb anomalies D6-10

-NAO/-AO signal defiantly here, not much of a SE Ridge signal, yet, though it could be due to some outliers.

But theres no artic air source and the cold gets wedged, for now at least.

That air is cold enough in that set up. The arctic can keep the cold heavy SUPPRESSING air.

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We can do without the frigid arctic air to supress everthing south, Modified arctic will do the job...

That's essentially what we will be getting....arctic air that has modified a bit. Probably -8 to -10C 850 temps type stuff which of course is plenty cold for snow.

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That's essentially what we will be getting....arctic air that has modified a bit. Probably -8 to -10C 850 temps type stuff which of course is plenty cold for snow.

Yeah Will, I have been looking at the 850 temp maps on the models, Looks like most of the colder arctic air wants to stay west for now...

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