turtlehurricane Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 37F and it's foggy, drizzly, and dark. Definitely November weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 37F and it's foggy, drizzly, and dark. Definitely November weather. Just wait til the end of the month, you will be begging for 37 and foggy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 This is the third or fourth wave ripping along the polar baroclinic zone. Each subsequent wave allows to the low level cold air to seep a little further SE. 2004 pre-Turkey Day redux? It'd be perfect timing, considering I'm traveling north Wednesday night...same as back in 2004. That was a fun drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 2004 pre-Turkey Day redux? It'd be perfect timing, considering I'm traveling north Wednesday night...same as back in 2004. That was a fun drive. Yeah I was doing the Mount Pleasant to Detroit drive that day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baroclinic_instability Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 That'll be someone's snowstorm and it'll be more wrapped up than that (and probably quite a bit further west). The cold will follow. Stebo48858[/color]' timestamp='1290035094' post='15544']I wouldn't say quite a bit further west, the SE ridge is going to weaken slightly as we move on into late next week, deeper though I could see that. However it should ride the baroclinic zone northeast and there really isnt a strong system east of the ridge to the east to amplify the pattern too much. In other words I'd say its a wait and see. I agree, just wait and see. The trough orientation and positive tilt does not get me excited. Almost all GFS ensemble members and the CMC keep the final trough positive. The Euro does have more of an influence with the SE ridge and shows a more negative trough over the eastern US and into Canada, but with that positive tilt orientation it would be difficult for deep cyclogenesis and a wrapped circulation to develop, at least at this point in time. A lot of weather needs to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 2004 pre-Turkey Day redux? It'd be perfect timing, considering I'm traveling north Wednesday night...same as back in 2004. That was a fun drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 I agree, just wait and see. The trough orientation and positive tilt does not get me excited. Almost all GFS ensemble members and the CMC keep the final trough positive. The Euro does have more of an influence with the SE ridge and shows a more negative trough over the eastern US and into Canada, but with that positive tilt orientation it would be difficult for deep cyclogenesis and a wrapped circulation to develop, at least at this point in time. A lot of weather needs to happen. Yeah there is quite a bit of weather between now and then. What I could see is a Positively tilted trough that goes Neutral as it get close to us. The model I'd be watching would be the CMC as it has been pretty good so far this winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 That was the ultimate kick in the crotch here lol. Looks like LAF got the shaft too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Aleking fail. That was the ultimate kick in the crotch here lol. Looks like LAF got the shaft too. We had around an 1" to 1.5" in LAF...despite the diss on that map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 I don't remember this so I'm assuming I got screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 I don't remember this so I'm assuming I got screwed. Yeah down here in Detroit it was a mixed event so its probable that you got the shaft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Yeah down here in Detroit it was a mixed event so its probable that you got the shaft. Extrapolating from that map Chicago Storm posted, I'd think the snow stayed to my N & W. Ah well, 2004-05 turned out to be a pretty decent winter, even without this storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 I don't remember this so I'm assuming I got screwed. Yeah down here in Detroit it was a mixed event so its probable that you got the shaft. Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Indeed. as you can see exhibit A here, the nightmare drive from Mount Pleasant to Detroit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 as you can see exhibit A here, the nightmare drive from Mount Pleasant to Detroit Well, since you were going TO Detroit, at least the drive got better as you went along. Although that might not be the case if there was a ZR band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Well, since you were going TO Detroit, at least the drive got better as you went along. Although that might not be the case if there was a ZR band. There was, it was a 5+ hour drive, normally I can make it in 2 1/2 hours... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmichweather Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 There was, it was a 5+ hour drive, normally I can make it in 2 1/2 hours... Ya it took me a good 4 hours and i tried to leave ahead of the storm, now my gf's idiot roommates that i warned for days in advance to leave early and beat the storm kept telling me that it doesn't snow before thanksgiving and they'd be fine. They ended up spinning out and getting stuck near Saginaw and had to get the car towed to a motel til the storm ended and roads improved and didn't get home til noon on turkey day. Shows them for not listening to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Ya it took me a good 4 hours and i tried to leave ahead of the storm, now my gf's idiot roommates that i warned for days in advance to leave early and beat the storm kept telling me that it doesn't snow before thanksgiving and they'd be fine. They ended up spinning out and getting stuck near Saginaw and had to get the car towed to a motel til the storm ended and roads improved and didn't get home til noon on turkey day. Shows them for not listening to me. Yeah I was a fool myself, I took 127 home instead of 75... Needless to say error in judgment there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmichweather Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Yeah I was a fool myself, I took 127 home instead of 75... Needless to say error in judgment there. LOL i bet, i tried to get east as quick as i could, i even cut over on 69 to get to M53 so i could hit that transition zone asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 LOL i bet, i tried to get east as quick as i could, i even cut over on 69 to get to M53 so i could hit that transition zone asap. You know the best part about this, people not from Michigan are probably like wtf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppsRunner Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 You know the best part about this, people not from Michigan are probably like wtf. Pretty much. I have a general understanding of some Southern Michigan roads but nothing much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Pretty much. I have a general understanding of some Southern Michigan roads but nothing much. The general premise of the roads in SE MI is to all pinwheel out of Detroit, like spokes on a tire, similar to Washington DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmichweather Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 You know the best part about this, people not from Michigan are probably like wtf. haha ya, back on topic, looks like the first accumulating snow for the northern plains is forthcoming. Saturday into Sunday could get some light snow at least a few inches, hopefully i don't get picked to spin the DOW overnight saturday for our winter precipitation field study. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnweather Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 haha ya, back on topic, looks like the first accumulating snow for the northern plains is forthcoming. Saturday into Sunday could get some light snow at least a few inches, hopefully i don't get picked to spin the DOW overnight saturday for our winter precipitation field study. Do you know how much snow northern MN will see. I can't get the NAM or GFS snow overlays from Earl Barkers site. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmichweather Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Do you know how much snow northern MN will see. I can't get the NAM or GFS snow overlays from Earl Barkers site. Thanks! i haven't started pulling up bufkits or looking at earl's site yet, just based on model qpf from the past few days i'd say more than a few inches but nothing to extreme. KFGF mentions 2-6 inches this far out and seems reasonable. HPC 4-5 day qpf seems to agree as well, seems like a long duration light snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnweather Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 i haven't started pulling up bufkits or looking at earl's site yet, just based on model qpf from the past few days i'd say more than a few inches but nothing to extreme. KFGF mentions 2-6 inches this far out and seems reasonable. HPC 4-5 day qpf seems to agree as well, seems like a long duration light snow. Thanks. Earl Barkers overlays have not updated since last Friday. Kind of frustrating. What do you think about the storm for next Thanksgiving? Think it will be a cutter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmichweather Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Thanks. Earl Barkers overlays have not updated since last Friday. Kind of frustrating. What do you think about the storm for next Thanksgiving? Think it will be a cutter? My gut says no but it all depends on how the PV situates itself and how deep the trough can dig in the west, as of right now i think the ecmwf 12z won't pan out but we'll see how the systems ahead of it play out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMo Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Thanks. Earl Barkers overlays have not updated since last Friday. Kind of frustrating. What do you think about the storm for next Thanksgiving? Think it will be a cutter? You can try http://www.twisterdata.com Just go to the NAM or GFS, click on "Winter" and "Snow Depth" to get an idea of what the model thinks as far as snow on the ground for a specific hour. It will 'melt off' and it will add in snow already on the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 My gut says no but it all depends on how the PV situates itself and how deep the trough can dig in the west, as of right now i think the ecmwf 12z won't pan out but we'll see how the systems ahead of it play out. Yeah I would agree with you, Euro is too amplified and to the left, the GGEM seems to closer to what I'd think would happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prinsburg_wx Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 My gut says no but it all depends on how the PV situates itself and how deep the trough can dig in the west, as of right now i think the ecmwf 12z won't pan out but we'll see how the systems ahead of it play out. Larry Cosgrove thinks it won't be a cutter...his latest from his weather examiner this evening A huge storm and trough complex now over the Pacific Ocean will be approaching Houston on the day before Thanksgiving. I am fairly sure that the surface low will move in a Colorado/Trinidad "B" manner (S CO to S KY, then to off of the coastline of DE/NJ). This system looks to be quite intense, with a mantle of important rain, ice, and snow to its north across the Ohio Valley and interior Northeast, and strong to severe thunderstorms across parts of TX, OK and the Old South and Mid-Atlantic region into Thanksgiving evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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