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rapidly burning off now. more of a hazy type look outside, and very warm sun.

very similar to the days right before thanksgiving of 2001-2002 IIRC. :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

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Sleet potential continues to be advertised on soundings Thursday Night into Saturday morning away from the immediate urban areas with extremely dry air and the potential to wet bulb. Throw in a cold surface and good timing (00-06z) with the initial batch of mid level WAA-aided precip..and you have the potential for some wintry mix type precipitation.

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Sleet potential continues to be advertised on soundings Thursday Night into Saturday morning away from the immediate urban areas with extremely dry air and the potential to wet bulb. Throw in a cold surface and good timing (00-06z) with the initial batch of mid level WAA-aided precip..and you have the potential for some wintry mix type precipitation.

Problem is that there is barely any precip for that period.

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Sleet potential continues to be advertised on soundings Thursday Night into Saturday morning away from the immediate urban areas with extremely dry air and the potential to wet bulb. Throw in a cold surface and good timing (00-06z) with the initial batch of mid level WAA-aided precip..and you have the potential for some wintry mix type precipitation.

Would ideally like to see it colder for longer below 850 to give the precip time to re-freeze, would also like to see it drier so it can really wetbulb, but yea, there is def. a chance of sleet from that.

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OKX seems to agree..including a Wintry Mix in the local forecast--as well as discussing p-type issues with the initial batch of precipitation. It should be relatively light.

...EXCEPT HAVE GONE SLIGHTLY FASTER WITH THE

ONSET OF WAA PRECIP ON THU SINCE IT ALWAYS SEEMS TO FLY IN HERE AND

MODELS ARE TOO SLOW UNLESS THERE IS A VERY STRONG HIGH MOVING OUT.

COULD BE SOME P-TYPE ISSUES ALSO AT THE ONSET N AND W OF NYC WITH

COLD AIR DAMMING IN THE VALLEYS AND EVAPORATIONAL COOLING. THE

EXTENT OF THIS WILL ALSO DEPEND ON THE TIMING OF THE ONSET OF PRECIP

WHICH IS STILL UNCERTAIN AT THIS POINT.

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Sleet potential continues to be advertised on soundings Thursday Night into Saturday morning away from the immediate urban areas with extremely dry air and the potential to wet bulb. Throw in a cold surface and good timing (00-06z) with the initial batch of mid level WAA-aided precip..and you have the potential for some wintry mix type precipitation.

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I don't see much opportunity for wetbulbing in that sounding. If anything it says drizzle (correction: rain) to me. If it can find a surface <0C, then maybe some very light icing at those locations.

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I don't see much opportunity for wetbulbing in that sounding. If anything it says drizzle (correction: rain) to me. If it can find a surface <0C, then maybe some very light icing at those locations.

That sounding is after the precip starts--here's the link to about 3 hours prior where there is still some wetbulb potential.

It's going to be close..I think the potential is there for some frozen precipitation away from the urban areas.

http://www.twisterdata.com/index.php?sounding.lat=40.9799&sounding.lon=-74.6301&prog=forecast&model=NAM&grid=221&model_yyyy=2010&model_mm=11&model_dd=23&model_init_hh=06&fhour=63&parameter=PCPIN&level=3&unit=HR&maximize=n&mode=singlemap&sounding=n&output=image&view=large&archive=false&sounding=y&sndclick=y

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GETTING BACK TO THE AIR ALOFT, THE WAA SURGE IS FORECAST

TO OCCUR ABOVE 850MB AND WHAT WE ARE SEEING IN MODEL PROGS IS THE

EVAPORATIONAL COOLING OF THE DRY AIR MASS BELOW THIS PUSH AS AT

850MB BELOW FREEZING TEMPS DEVELOP. COUPLE THIS WITH THE PCPN ARRIVAL

TOWARD DAWN, PRETTY MUCH OPENS UP A PANDORA`S BOX OF PTYPES N AND

W OF THE I95 CORRIDOR, MAYBE SOME SLEET INTO THE LOCAL PHL AREA.

WITHOUT GETTING INTO TOO MANY DETAILS AND BE WRONG AT THIS FCST

TIME PERIOD, WE DID LEAN THE FCST MORE PESSIMISTICALLY WITH

DIFFERENT PTYPES FOR THE FIRST HALF OF THE DAY ON THURSDAY. FCST

SOUNDINGS AT THE LEAST POINT TO SLEET AND OUR TOP DOWN METHOD DID

GENERATE PLENTY OF IT. WE THEN HAVE OUR POCONO PROBLEM OF POSSIBLY

EVAP COOLING THE SFC TO BELOW FREEZING AND THEN STRUGGLE TO RISE

FROM THERE OPENING THE DOOR TO ICING ESP IN THE HIER TERRAIN.

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GETTING BACK TO THE AIR ALOFT, THE WAA SURGE IS FORECAST

TO OCCUR ABOVE 850MB AND WHAT WE ARE SEEING IN MODEL PROGS IS THE

EVAPORATIONAL COOLING OF THE DRY AIR MASS BELOW THIS PUSH AS AT

850MB BELOW FREEZING TEMPS DEVELOP. COUPLE THIS WITH THE PCPN ARRIVAL

TOWARD DAWN, PRETTY MUCH OPENS UP A PANDORA`S BOX OF PTYPES N AND

W OF THE I95 CORRIDOR, MAYBE SOME SLEET INTO THE LOCAL PHL AREA.

WITHOUT GETTING INTO TOO MANY DETAILS AND BE WRONG AT THIS FCST

TIME PERIOD, WE DID LEAN THE FCST MORE PESSIMISTICALLY WITH

DIFFERENT PTYPES FOR THE FIRST HALF OF THE DAY ON THURSDAY. FCST

SOUNDINGS AT THE LEAST POINT TO SLEET AND OUR TOP DOWN METHOD DID

GENERATE PLENTY OF IT. WE THEN HAVE OUR POCONO PROBLEM OF POSSIBLY

EVAP COOLING THE SFC TO BELOW FREEZING AND THEN STRUGGLE TO RISE

FROM THERE OPENING THE DOOR TO ICING ESP IN THE HIER TERRAIN.

its marginal. Important to highlight it with holiday travel and what not but the levels warm so quickly, these setups disspoint 7/10.

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It is what it is...potential is there...not calling for an epic sleet/wintry mix storm. We will see.

Agreed that conditions are there. But only problem, as stated before, is lack of precip. Thru hour 66 on 12z NAM, soundings show .01" for EWR. Anything after hour 66, is very warm. If we get some precip earlier then expected, and a little more then forecasted, then we have a good shot at mix precip.

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We are socked in with clouds here now...heavy dissapointment for those wishing for a torch this afternoon. The southerly flow will still keep things warm, though.

Works in very well with my forecast for today. Also, I am aboard the sleet train. We've seen this countless times in this setup where the precipitation starts as sleet due to low dew points at the onset.

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We are socked in with clouds here now...heavy dissapointment for those wishing for a torch this afternoon. The southerly flow will still keep things warm, though.

Yeah the clouds got in the way. Helping pave the way for the first below normal month since Feb

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