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Believe it or not Tom, there use to be a "ski resort" in our area...

http://en.wikipedia....ville,_New_York)

Here is more information about a couple of defunct Long Island ski areas. The insurance must be atrocious, because I believe such an area could absolutely clean up if managed correctly.

http://www.nelsap.org/ny/bald.html

http://www.nelsap.or.../highpoint.html

It's fun to read the old memories and in many cases misperceptions or details confused with other locations. Bald Hill isn't particularly close to the top of the list of high points on LI, but a lot of people evidently think that it is. Its around 300 and the high point is 401 feet, but there are many hill tops between 300 and 400.

Speaking of 401 feet, I took a walk around West Hills the other day (Sunday):

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today should be 10 degrees above normal and seal an above average month again...Will December be the first month below normal since Feb...Not if we don't get some arctic air in here...

A bit of a shock for me when a coupe of weeks ago it looked all but certain to be colder than normal. I have Dec pegged for -1 or more below normal but warth has been over performing since March....

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maybe not the right place but is anyone else having issues with viewing some posts, especially ones that have images attached. I keep having parts of posts blocked by other posts then the rest of the posts thats blocked appears below . Just curious I will search the help forum

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today should be 10 degrees above normal and seal an above average month again...Will December be the first month below normal since Feb...Not if we don't get some arctic air in here...

Unc, I will actually finish about - 0.2 degrees for the month to break my streak. The last few nights radiated well outside urban areas so those plus departures should be greastest there.

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I'm starting to think we will never register a below normal month, at least not based on the normals of the past 50 or so years, we may have to narrow things down to the last 15-20 years for normals because our temperatures are much higher than they were 30+ years ago.

Hey dude who were you at Eastern or are you new in general?

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One thing I've been noticing is it seems the temps have struggled more than usual to drop at night in the urban areas. For example New Brunswick is running 1.5 degrees below normal whereas EWR will end up a degree above

I'm starting to think we will never register a below normal month, at least not based on the normals of the past 50 or so years, we may have to narrow things down to the last 15-20 years for normals because our temperatures are much higher than they were 30+ years ago.

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today should be 10 degrees above normal and seal an above average month again...Will December be the first month below normal since Feb...Not if we don't get some arctic air in here...

It's pretty much a done deal that November finishes above normal, but for KNYC it will come in less than 1 degree above normal, which is pretty much considered within a normal range, rather than above. The same applies for ISP and BDR and maybe for JFK and EWR (those two will be very close to slipping past +1) wheras LGA will be closer to 2 degrees above normal for the month.

So there definitely does seem to be something going on at LGA, although the most freqently given answer in this thread (various derivatives of "because LGA sucks") isn't helpful.

The issue with LGA isn't that they are warmer than other locations...they've always been. The issue is the greater departures vs their own normals. It could be something particular about the recent weather pattern...or it could be an equipment change of some sort.

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It's pretty much a done deal that November finishes above normal, but for KNYC it will come in less than 1 degree above normal, which is pretty much considered within a normal range, rather than above. The same applies for ISP and BDR and maybe for JFK and EWR (those two will be very close to slipping past +1) wheras LGA will be closer to 2 degrees above normal for the month.

So there definitely does seem to be something going on at LGA, although the most freqently given answer in this thread (various derivatives of "because LGA sucks") isn't helpful.

The issue with LGA isn't that they are warmer than other locations...they've always been. The issue is the greater departures vs their own normals. It could be something particular about the recent weather pattern...or it could be an equipment change of some sort.

Or it could be they are taking temps on the tarmac?

http://jonova.s3.ama...-corruption.pdf

http://www.surfacestations.org/

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It's pretty much a done deal that November finishes above normal, but for KNYC it will come in less than 1 degree above normal, which is pretty much considered within a normal range, rather than above. The same applies for ISP and BDR and maybe for JFK and EWR (those two will be very close to slipping past +1) wheras LGA will be closer to 2 degrees above normal for the month.

So there definitely does seem to be something going on at LGA, although the most freqently given answer in this thread (various derivatives of "because LGA sucks") isn't helpful.

The issue with LGA isn't that they are warmer than other locations...they've always been. The issue is the greater departures vs their own normals. It could be something particular about the recent weather pattern...or it could be an equipment change of some sort.

I believe AlGreek said that their thermometer is surrounded by tarmac, that could have something to do with it.

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I believe AlGreek said that their thermometer is surrounded by tarmac, that could have something to do with it.

That wouldn't be a shocking, its insane...when you actually go look at where and how they're placed the thermometers, you realize ...how unreliable the data is. These photos highlight the locations of official climate thermometers, which -- if they're not missing altogether -- are intentionally placed near air conditioners, getting blasts from jet engines or near the tarmac. You won't believe your eyes.

http://jonova.s3.ama...-corruption.pdf

http://www.surfacestations.org/

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That wouldn't be a shocking, its insane...when you actually go look at where and how they're placed the thermometers, you realize ...how unreliable the data is. These photos highlight the locations of official climate thermometers, which -- if they're not missing altogether -- are intentionally placed near air conditioners, getting blasts from jet engines or near the tarmac. You won't believe your eyes.

http://jonova.s3.ama...-corruption.pdf

http://www.surfacestations.org/

EWR's readings have seemed reasonable over the years (since 1995 anyway).

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Isn't JFK's on top of a roof of one of the building's in the airport? Thats a complete joke also as the building itself radiates heat, as heat rises. JFK's snow totals are majorly flawed because of this.

I don't think the sensors are but I did hear that they measure snow up there from someone here I forgot who.

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