Sophisticated Skeptic

All these ice gains the last few weeks, seems a little sketchy. during a relatively mild arctic pattern.

is it just me, or is this continued pattern over Siberia looking catastrophic ...even 7+ days from now ?

sometimes you have to think outside the box, and look at data from outside the box. everything going on with the planet, isn't always going to be handed over on a silver platter. Public data is only a piece of the puzzle. This year alone has been exceptional (record breaking) in terms of both Coronal Holes and Ice Melt. Shouldn't take much processing to connect the dots.

From monitoring coronal hole data for decades, it is 'not' normal. The size of these holes. Even during solar minimums in the past.

Yes, but it's the unusually large size and consistency of these very large coronal holes that we haven't seen ever (so many) occur back to back in a year's time. I don't even see 1 other person mentioning the 'possibility' of this being the issue...anywhere. 95% of the horde are all caught up in climate change this and that. Somewhat seems like their 'scared' to mention the sun as the culprit. I guess if there's no politics involved, they can't mention it as the problem...since there's no silver bullet to fix the sun.

^from spaceweather.com The large coronal hole to effect earth again...the next few days. and for those that think it's ridiculous to compare the 2. http://blogs.agu.org/geospace/2015/01/05/measuring-temperature-solar-winds/ It's BOTH poles that are taking hits currently. When solar wind / coronal holes unleash....the Poles take the biggest hits. Dunno why i'm the only one correctly identifying this...while others are blaming global warming or some other nonsense. What's going on at both the north and south poles currently is unprecedented .

MIB ? all in all, I hope he's well .. It was fun seeing him and ORH go at it at times, over the years. Guess I gotta take over and keep the pressure on now. (jk) I learned a lot from both him and ORH regarding the arctic...and others here. when pigs fly. Mainstream media is so owned by the Republican agenda, so I highly doubt it. We'll have to wait until ALL ice is gone , or once things start looking like this. then maybe...just maybe there'll be a story or 2.

good thing Trump isn't president yet , gives him some more time to flip-flop.

article from 16 years ago. and as common knowledge, anomalies from the sun effect the Poles the most. We've had several , unusually large coronal hole incidents this year alone. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/03/000315080417.htm Holes In Sun's Corona Linked To Atmospheric Temperature Changes On Earth An unusual interdisciplinary study by astronomers and climatologists has found a striking correlation between holes in the outermost layer of the sun--or the corona--and the globally averaged temperature of the Earth, suggesting that the Earth's atmospheric temperature may be strongly linked to solar magnetism changes over months or years.

Strange, benign weather pattern for most of the northern hemisphere.. Most of the biggest storms right now are in the southern hemisphere, near Antarctica .

heat pump = ON maybe all these coronal hole incidents are having an impact.

i'm surprised of the gains the last 4 days or so. the current outlook should show some decent losses the next several days, no? Dunno where the official forecasts for those are, just looking at model temps here.

yea, this page could use a bit of cleaning. sounds like a bunch of 8 year olds have invaded. anyway.... surprised Global Warmer has been so quiet...this is usually his time to shine. This pattern is rather unprecedented . Extremely unprecedented in a sense, considering we could be seeing more of the same in the upcoming week. As the polar vortex cold decides to harass Britain / Russia instead of staying put, like it's suppose to....all while parts of the arctic could even go above freezing in the week ahead.

the twilight zone'ish type warming to continue.

another warmup in the arctic looking possible in the 4 to 7 day range... while at the same time, an unusual cool blast to hit the NE U.S. what was unusual about the October 1st to 15th pattern....was how it was warm in the U.S. the same time. meaning it must of been unusually cool in another part of the globe at that time. (didn't look at models then) also... yikes -

negative, as the same was expected to occur this summer...but never panned out. As an unusually cold pattern this summer, made up for the unusually warm pattern over the arctic from January - March. either way, I agree with Blue on how odd things have become with October so far. Shows how quick just 15 days could throw a monkey-wrench into things.

you make it sound like it won't pass 2012. which it's extremely close to currently.

the odd looking warmth to continue. it looks so weird being branched off like that. wheres Global Warmer been? long time no see. he usually goes crazy over these things.

forecast still looks kinda shady (warm) , opposite the greenland end.

I don't even wanna know. At-least our country reports it, most other countries hide it...and we don't do anything to penalize them. But yea, that's another thing. Oil leaks not properly sealed off. It could be Exxon Valdez times a 1000 out there...and nobody knows. Since it doesn't effect humans from breathing, everybody just looks the other way. It does however effect ocean life from breathing. heck, even when Chernobyl happened...nobody even knew about it for days, until radiation detectors in the next country over were off the charts. Amazing the Russians tried to hide that. Kursk too, I think they tried to hide. guess maybe we shud make another topic, before going too OT here. But I appreciate the insight.

nice find, however you found that stat. still...millions of tons of trash a year, dumped into the ocean. what happened to all the environmentalists that used to care about these things? It's an extraordinary amount, that most people don't even assume. another aspect (maybe u have a stat ) , is mammal reproduction. Example, if we have a million more whales in the ocean next year, compared to this year....water volume = raised. Then again, with our oceans getting more polluted every year...it could be helping to cut down on those numbers. silly humans, screwing everything up. other mini-aspects that could mess with the numbers as well : volcanoes / earthquakes .

how about the billions of tons of garbage dumped into our oceans the last 100 years or so ? (mostly from commercial shippers that like to cut costs / save money) Doubt anyone's factored that into the equation of our sea levels rising. Like when u put ice into a glass of water...the water level rises.. yeah..kinda like that. either way, it's sickening to me how much our oceans are polluted..and how people dump anything and everything into it. There should be very serious laws implemented world-wide to stop this immediately. Our oceans won't even be able to sustain life in 50 years or so...if this continues.

forget about the specific numbers, which one looks worse to you. 1st one (2012) or 2nd (2016) I could see more unexpected late season losses...since most of the shaggy, thin ice is around the warmer, outer peripheries

just because of an ordinary weather bomb, or in-combination with all the ice up there as well? I don't remember seeing these earthquakes mentioned during the biggest of nor'easters. https://www.yahoo.com/news/japan-scientists-detect-rare-deep-earth-tremor-200327022.html Japan scientists detect rare, deep-Earth tremor Miami (AFP) - Scientists who study earthquakes in Japan said Thursday they have detected a rare deep-Earth tremor for the first time and traced its location to a distant and powerful storm. The findings, published in the US journal Science, could help experts learn more about the Earth's inner structure and improve detection of earthquakes and oceanic storms. The storm in the North Atlantic was known as a "weather bomb," a small but potent storm that gains punch as pressure quickly mounts. Groups of waves sloshed and pounded the ocean floor during the storm, which struck between Greenland and Iceland. Using seismic equipment on land and on the seafloor that usually detects the Earth's crust crumbling during earthquakes, researchers found something they had not detected before -- a tremor known as an S wave microseism. Microseisms are very faint tremors. Another kind of tremor, known as P waves, or primary wave microseisms, can be detected during major hurricanes. P waves are fast-moving, and animals can often sense them just before an earthquake hits. The elusive S waves, or secondary waves, are slower, and move only through rock, not liquid. Humans feel them during earthquakes. Using more than 200 stations operated by the National Research Institute for Earth Science and Disaster Prevention in Japan's Chugoku district, researchers Kiwamu Nishida and Ryota Takagi "successfully detected not only P wave microseisms triggered by a severe and distant North Atlantic storm, known as a weather bomb, but also S wave microseisms, too," said the study. "The discovery marks the first time scientists have observed... an S wave microseism." Microseism S waves are so faint that they occur in the 0.05 to 0.5 Hz frequency range. The study in the journal Science details how researchers traced the direction and distance to the waves' origins, and the paths they traveled. The discovery "gives seismologists a new tool with which to study Earth's deeper structure," said Peter Gerstoft and Peter Bromirski of the University of California, San Diego in an accompanying Perspective article. Learning more about microseismic S waves may "add to our understanding of the deeper crust and upper mantle structure."