TugHillMatt

I'm sorry. I know I complain. That's why I was posting this looks like a great possibility for clippers if it happens! As was discussed last week, I think it's some angst based on recent winters where December hits and that Polar Vortex seems to like to set up and the Pacific turns ugly. Plus, who doesn't want a "Hallmark Christmas" scene with fluffy flakes flying (but a scene where the snow actually looks REAL.)

Yeah, the Rgem refuses to take it south of the Oswego/Onondaga line. In fact it looks more like WSW to Westerly flow on that model with not much NW component at all to the winds. Nams, as you posted, agree with the Rgem.

That would be a beautiful Alberta Clipper track.

No, not really. More like "weather as of lately."

Ick...who knows in our new climate though. We've been all about setting high records these days! Ha!

I refuse. No, no, no no no! A few weeks ago, I looked through lots of historical data for Syracuse, and I observed that during many winter months, the 'maximum" temperature was often in the 60s. 63 degrees seemed like a common number. It could be the first of several 60 degree days this month (Ugh).

This place's ability to furnace, at its latitude, is ridiculous. (As you well know, it drives me bonkers.) I wouldn't be surprised. I will go with 58 degrees as the high though. With New York City not going above the mid 40s today, I fully expect us to once again be the warmest in the state for another day before midnight.

Models are being stingy with not much lake effect outside of the main bands. I'm rooting for these...showing a decent multi-lake connection. Most of the runs are showing it too far north over Oswego county. Freak and CNY would do well.

Here we go again..where we reach our high temperature right before midnight. Southerly wind kicked in and the inferno of Syracuse does its job.... We could have really cold days, then a bear farts in our direction from the south and the temp skyrockets and foils the data.

Thanks for the welcome and comment! I honestly didn't expect such an intense, rude response to what I thought was casual discussion about snowfall. lol

Sure thing! Not looking too good. Maybe a few inches here and there. With the lack of cold air and progressive flow, lake effect has been minimal. The past couple winters have been pretty lame in these parts as a result. My area actually had one of the best events so far this season a couple days before Thanksgiving. 8 to 10 inches of Lake effect, but most of it was gone in a couple days with the mild, maritime air racing across the country. The Tug's economy is struggling with the pathetic winters of late. Hoping something changes as we ring in the New Year!

Hi, Jerry. Although we don't really interact on these boards, I am often reading your posts when I stop by here. I'm so glad everything seems ok with you. Peace and blessings from a different sub-forum poster.

Nah, probably just not interested in arguing with an obvious pompous individual who has no ability for enjoyable, tactful discussion with others on a weather forum. Now, go back to your history books...and maybe you could find some joy in those?

Clearly you do... "rolls eyes"....

Um, wow. Don't be a prick Philadelphian. I am allowed to comment and share my experiences. It wasn't a personal attack or anything on you. Take a Xanax, pal.

I grew up in Lancaster county. There were several times during my childhood where I (western Lanco) would get an inch from an East Coast storm, while the banding set up and trained over an area from Welsh Mountain (outside of New Holland) to Honey Brook to Gap and over to the Coatesville area and dumped a foot on them. All the moisture from the very outskirts of those east coast storms that were farther out would just dump on that area.

I highly doubt anywhere south of a Fair Haven - Hinmansville/S. Fulton/Phoenix - Central Square line gets more than an inch...especially if winds are strong.

Wake me up in April when winter comes for a week.

Interesting conversation! As somebody who spent the first 20 years of my life visiting my grandparents in Brandywine, right off of 82 (just north of 30 Bypass), I can provide experience as well. From Gap over to the area north of Coatesville, there was almost always more snow than anywhere else in the area. I think there's some orographic lift that occurs there from different wind directions during events.

Checked out the radar and it looked like returns were showing up over Rochester. So...checked out webcams and it looks like it's snowing there. @rochesterdave, look out your window!

Yeah, many of the people who talk about it are those who have lived here for years and years. It's actually a pretty common topic of discussion and joking around about our local climate. In fact, several different times this week, I was involved in discussions where others were joking/bantering about whether we would see an hour or two of sun the next day. Snow is a HUGE mood stabilizer for me (using many different senses) which is partially why I am such a huge snowpack guy.

One of my ignorant FB friends posted last night that "Hawaii got 12" of snow and I guess that'll be one place I'm not moving to." LOL .... look at elevation, dearie....

Local met just posted about this...and of course, 98% of the comments are like, "Yaaaay! Yippy!" Gag. Throwing up in mouth. If you hate snow so much, move to the flipping south.

Hasn't this become the "new norm" as well? A "north trend" never works out for us. It either doesn't happen, or it exists in that it trends north of us.

The engineering and technology industries are definitely growing here in the CNY region.