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Sleet vs snow is a similar concept. 2” of sleet won’t typically melt faster than 6” of snow. I suspect it may even last longer on average. Sleet can be tough to melt in the shade!

Tony, I’ve been able to find only two other instances with at least about that much here: late Jan of 1922 (predecessor storm to tragic Knickerbocker Theatre storm in DC) and late Feb of 1914 (that one also had a decent amount of sleet). Early Jan of 2018 had a good bit but less than half that and thus limited outages. So, yes climo says not impossible but heck no unless we get a 100 year storm.

Jacksonville, FL has a whopping 0.7” on the 18Z GEFS for 1/21-2! That’s near 10 times the normal annual. Just unreal. This run has easily the heaviest snow mean yet for coastal SC to Jacksonville to Gainesville to the coast of LA! Nine members have snow at Jacksonville! @pcbjr

NWS CHS for SAV: don’t see this every day MARTIN LUTHER KING JR DAY MOSTLY SUNNY. MUCH COOLER WITH HIGHS IN THE MID 40S. MONDAY NIGHT MOSTLY CLOUDY WITH A 20 PERCENT CHANCE OF FREEZING RAIN. LOWS IN THE UPPER 20S. TUESDAY PARTLY SUNNY WITH A CHANCE OF RAIN AND FREEZING RAIN. HIGHS IN THE LOWER 40S. CHANCE OF PRECIPITATION 40 PERCENT. WIND CHILL VALUES AROUND 20 IN THE MORNING. TUESDAY NIGHT MOSTLY CLOUDY WITH A 50 PERCENT CHANCE OF SNOW. LOWS IN THE UPPER 20S. WIND CHILL VALUES AROUND 20. WEDNESDAY MOSTLY CLOUDY WITH A CHANCE OF RAIN AND FREEZING RAIN. HIGHS IN THE LOWER 40S. CHANCE OF PRECIPITATION 50 PERCENT. WIND CHILL VALUES AROUND 20 IN THE MORNING.

Only one of our 3 TV stations seems to be talking about a threat Tue-Thu. NWS CHS: AS WE MOVE INTO TUESDAY AND BEYOND, THE FORECAST BECOMES EXCEEDINGLY TRICKY AND ALSO POTENTIALLY VERY IMPACTFUL. MOST MODEL SOLUTIONS BROADLY AGREE THAT WE WILL HAVE VERY COLD AIR COINCIDENT WITH PRECIPITATION ASSOCIATED WITH AN AREA OF LOW PRESSURE PASSING BY TO THE SOUTH OR OFF THE COAST. VARIOUS DETERMINISTIC MODELS AND ENSEMBLE SOLUTIONS CONTINUE TO HIGHLIGHT THE POTENTIAL FOR WINTER WEATHER ACROSS THE FORECAST AREA AS A RESULT. HOWEVER, CONSIDERABLE UNCERTAINTY REMAINS REGARDING THE TIMING OF PRECIPITATION, PRECIPITATION TYPES AND AMOUNTS, AND SPECIFIC IMPACTED AREAS. ALL SCENARIOS ARE ON THE TABLE, INCLUDING SEEING LITTLE TO NO PRECIPITATION AT ALL.

It wasn’t good with sfc features for last week’s storm.

12Z JMA appears to be a major winter storm 1/21-2 with major ZR deep SE.

Unfortunately the majority of this on the 12Z Euro AI is ZR in my area with temps just at or just below 32, 850s at +3 to +5, and north winds keeping the warming from the ocean away. Not good.

An amazing (for 6 days out) 16 of 20 (80%) of 12Z GEPS members have some form(s) of wintry precip in our area 1/21-2! Of those 16, 9 are primarily ZR and 7 are primarily snow/sleet. On 12Z GEFS, it is 14 of 30 that have wintry precip in our area during 1/21-2. But 10 of these 14 are mainly snow and sleet vs only 4 mainly ZR. 12Z EPS snow mean: highest I’ve ever seen for us with it ~1.5”! Out of the 50, ~1 in 4 (13) have 1”+ of snow at Hunter! It doesn’t show sleet or ZR. 22 of the 50 have snow.

Something of that sort happened in this area in January of 1800. I’m not making this up. Was a multi-hundred year snowstorm obviously.

A weak low crossing central FL (not N FL) like the 12Z UK does is what we want to root for. History of past winter storms here agrees.

12Z UKMET gives us 2” of qpf with our temperatures at 32 or lower from very late Mon night (1/21) til 24 hours later (near sunrise Wed morning 1/22)!! The good news is that a fair bit is snow is implied. The 850s are only +1 to +2 for the first 9 hours or so (which tends to be cold enough for sleet more often than ZR) before dropping to potential snow levels of 0C to as low as -1C for part of the time. So, this may all be almost all sleet and snow on the 12Z UKMET and would be historic. Of course the odds are low (standard disclaimer out 144 hours), but we’re getting closer!

If there were to actually be a winter storm here early to mid next week, I wouldn’t at all be giving up on snow or sleet here despite the higher risk for ZR: 12Z GEFS looks quite nice for us and much of the deep SE…check out the 0.4” way down at Jacksonville: 11 of the 30 members give us snow within 1/21-2 with 8 of the 30 at 1”+ with 5 of those 2”+! So, this isn’t just 1 or 2 crazy members skewing it. This is about as good a look we’re going to get on the GEFS while still out 6 days: @pcbjr @Awesomesauce81

12Z CMC: no thank you for this modeled disaster of 1.78” of ZR at Hunter/2.32” at SAV but fortunately this is highly likely overdone and also CMC has a low level cold bias, especially considering that the low passes by not too far offshore: Sleet:

12Z GFS has Brooksville (BKV way down in west C FL) getting rain at 10AM on Tue (1/21) while at 35F with a dewpoint of 29F. That shows how close a call even way down there this could be if there is anything 1/21:

Snow for SE coast CHS NE late on Tue night/Wed morning (1/22): so GFS is back to coastal wintry within 1/21 like the prior 10 we’re before today’s 6Z blank:

12Z GFS has snow for a portion of coastal SC and NC Tue night!

I’m ok with it too as painful as it is to see this.

The 12Z Icon gives SAV area 6-8” of snow (7.9” at further inland airport and 6.3” at Hunter near the city). This looks like legit snow on the clown map since 850s are near or just below 0C and 2m temps are in upper 20s and then fall to mid 20s during it. Adjusting down for what Kuchera may have had, it would likely be closer to 5-7”. Whereas that would be amazing and I’d obviously love to see it, SAV hasn’t received that much snow since way back on March 3, 1837! So, SAV getting anywhere near this much snow is, needless to say, extremely unlikely especially since this is still 6.5 days away. https://www.weather.gov/chs/todayinwxhistory

The 6Z GFS was the 1st run since way back at the Jan 12 12Z run with no significant SE coastal wintry precip. during 1/21-2. So, there had been 10 GFS runs in a row like that just prior to today’s 6Z. And not only that but there’s no precip of any kind in any of the SE US 1/21-2! Interesting! GFS runs with significant SE coastal wintry precip within 1/21-2: Jan 11 6Z and 12Z Jan 12 6Z and 18Z Jan 13 0Z, 6Z, 12Z, 18Z Jan 14 0Z, 6Z, 12Z, 18Z Jan 15 0Z but not on 6Z (1st since 12Z Jan 12) A delay of anything in the SE til after 1/22 means a higher risk of not having enough cold air for a storm to intermingle with for widespread SE wintry precip since 1/20-2 is when the coldest of the air has been plunging down and fresh enough for a winter storm. Near perfect timing is crucial for the SE as we know!

Yeah, that’s not comforting. If you don’t mind would you please post the 12Z EPS total freezing rain so I could compare my and other areas vs the new run?

Right you are, Tony! History says that that run’s ZR was extremely likely to have been overdone. Qpf for EPS: 0Z small drop vs 12Z 12Z was slightly wetter

0Z EPS, which is still more important than the operational this far out although operational slowly becoming more important as we inch closer: about same impressive amounts N areas but lower S areas except for N FL pen. due to what appears to be an even higher % of the total wintry precip as IP/ZR since this is purely snow:

0Z Euro: Snow Sleet: ZR:

This 0Z UKMET clown map is way overdone in the S/SE portion of the snow shown. For example, Statesboro, GA doesn’t get anywhere near 11.4” of snow because no more than 0.1” of qpf falls when 850s aren’t above 0C. It really is 1” tops. SAV gets no snow. CHS gets far less than 6.9” if any at all. Augusta and Macon get maybe half at best of the 13.6”/14.4” this shows.