I think he was departed by then. I’m pretty sure that I am the only one of us who met him, we used to all be on mirc back about 20-22 years ago. I had dinner with him in Hingham at this fish place. He had an iPhone-wasn’t yet available on Verizon. We were checking out the ETA for the snowmageddon DC storm to see if we had a shot, He was reeling but the line snapped and we know what we ended up with.