Jonger

There's talk about moving Michigan back to phase 3 and that would kill face to face school opening. One peek at the data shows this to be a total overstep.

I'm still waiting to see a single municipality on planet earth that had a sustained spike in April-May that actually has had a resurgence. I mean seriously, this is a science forum with people who view data as paramount. Are we really not going to talk about why this is? Lol

The juice was never worth the squeeze.

Right....

Sweden does nothing and their situation resolves itself on its own, but ours won't eh? I'm skeptical.

Maybe, maybe not... I can't help but believe that we're seeing the natural cycle of a respiratory virus. The vulnerable are taken out first and that's what led to the above chart in each location.

What exactly did Sweden do to mirror the situation in NY?

You want strict government controls in a country founded on freedom from the government. Now you seem frustrated that free speech is running rampant. Hmm..

I could see this for high school, but elementary this is a no-go. Our elementary is going to mask in the hallways, but not in class. My son goes crazy after 20 minutes... no way would he make it 6 to 8 hours. I noticed the middleschool has plywood sealing off all entrances except the front doors. No idea what's going on there, but I'm 100x more worried about fires. I'll snap a pic of it if I get a chance.

Kids typically aren't obese or have preexisting conditions. My son being an exception... he has type 1 diabetes and is insulin dependent. Even so, we have had numerous parents document their experiences and so far every child has been asymptomatic.

Anytime an organization makes a statement that has a positive position on this, we get a quick retraction. I can't help but guess we have someone pulling the strings on this behind the scenes.

Here's the story. Not a big town, so this kind of thing blew up. There are more updates, but this is part of it. https://www.livingstondaily.com/story/news/local/community/howell/2020/06/09/adam-merkel-restaurants-sues-4-former-employees-defamation/5325392002/ I think he f-vked up with the lawsuits fwiw. There's no chance of getting a dime out of these women, so that's another story.

We do have too many restaurants, that's a fact. I read an article about that years ago. Europe has way less establishments for each person on average. They called it a bubble that's going to pop. Those who survive this will come out way ahead of the game.

They settled on $600 factoring in higher cost of living states, so this isn't going to be an issue in NYC or LA... but Michigan and other middle tier states are getting boned by employees not wanting to take a pay cut to return to work. I mean... sh1t, I get it.... but it's irresponsible of the employee and they'll feel the pain when restrictions are lifted, the $600 ends and there is a mad dash for jobs. Think musical chairs, but with several million people being left without a chair when the music stops.

If he paid lower than other establishments, nobody would work for him. I can't pay people under $15 an hour and expect good employees. I pay 17 year old part timers $15 an hour. That's how I personally handle things

I'm going to assume his lawyers are better at legal issues than you are. If we're talking about wind blown rain, that's obviously your turf.

It is what it is.

Nope, he'll have to pay it back. You have to use 80% of the funds for payroll. He won't be able to hire an entire new crew and train them with zero notice. He is like many other business owners with this $600 fiasco -- f-cked.

The money is paid up front. Ask me how I know?

Stebo is way over his head in economics. Isn't there a dust devil to videotape out west?

No, he fired them when they told him they wouldn't work.

PPP is only to employers who actually PAY employees. Paycheck protection program. Why is Stebo allowed to post bullshit here?

https://www.livingstondaily.com/story/news/local/community/livingston-county/2020/06/16/nursing-homes-account-all-but-1-livingstons-28-covid-19-deaths/3197937001/ Lies!

My county had 28 deaths. They were all in nursing homes with 1 exception and that death was removed from the tally. How is that bullshit? Why do you get worked up so easily?