RogueWaves

Surprisingly stormy and rainy day here after beginning the day with only a 40% T-storm call from my office. They scrambled to play catch-up and went 70% after things had already got going (that's my office). Nice post-storms cool down is welcomed too ofc. Last summer this town was in a mini-drought about a 5 mile diameter zone that was missed in every direction. This summer the cards have flipped and we score regular rain. Not a brown blade to be found.

The 2 aren't that far apart on the chart actually. If the outdoor cookout is presuming distancing then yeah, it edges out the indoors eatery. I've been to one pool party and it was with immediate fam mostly so the distancing was a bit lax. I just came from eating-in at the local B&N coffee shop and felt totally safe. Tables were limited and spread about 10 or 12 feet apart. Masks were worn whenever you were not at your table eating and drinking. It's self-serve so no waitstaff running around and it wasn't that busy but most tables were in use.

I would say it's "raging and dangerous" when death numbers are spiking, not just test cases catching up with the inevitable spread.

We may have that convenient data now, but was it known at the beginning of that coming into the U.S. when decisions were being made? If not, then it isn't a fair comparison in my book.

Read several of those articles, thx. And those anti-maskers were in an era (or shortly after) when donning masks for all kinds of illnesses/outbreaks/mass deaths was quite common. It's worth noting in the main article that masking was more popular during the war as it was viewed as patriotic. It was post-war that the real push-backs started in earnest. It's also difficult to make an even comparison between then and now for other reasons as well. The slowness with which data could circulate to the general public (night and day). The number of fatalities were massive with that thus the fear was legit as most people lost loved ones, or at least knew local people who got ill and/or perished. As for enforcing more then, the "mask police" on the street corner did that, but downtown's were the marketplace then. Would be the equivalent of shopping malls today, which here anyways are barely open. But then again, brick-n-morter's been on life support due to online markets taking over.

It was a reference to that youtube vid Jonger linked. It was a slight hyperbole but I thought you watched that and would catch it. Nonetheless, posts with subtle undertones about "grandma dying" have been made.

Pretty sure he was handed a "no win" situation. Whichever way he leaned, the other side would've cried "foul". A doctor in the Houston area has had a 100% cure rate using a regimen that includes HCQ, but nobody wants to go there. What do you do?

Not about CDC/Fauci waffles. The left says if you don't wear one, you must hate your neighbor and just want people to die. The right has deemed it an erosion of 2nd amendment freedoms if it's a forced thing. It has been politicized, though ideally it would've been better had it not been.

And the increased protocols for cleanliness at common touch points at businesses, especially food related ones.

Other than your belittlement of our president, this was a good post and totally agree.

Nice tongue-in-cheek edit there. While mere moments after a post calling for no politicizing of comments, a truly direct political "orange man bad" shot is fired. Nice. It's pretty convenient to blame a guy in his first term ever in politics (let alone head of the "free world") who got a truck-load of this horse sh*t dumped on him. We could easily have found ourselves in this same controversial boat in 2009 when H1N1 was running rampant. Funny how the powers that be never called for draconian economy killing measures while "O" was in that role. And yes, many conspiracy theories are later proven to have been conspiracy fact. The trouble is nobody cares to parse the details 5 or 10 years later especially if they weren't personally impacted by great loss.

FYI, I don't have any of those! Joking ofc, but I posted that cartoon as a bit of a spoof towards you actually. It's an old capture from early in the outbreak. It is pretty funny if taken for it's intended humor and not as a statement of fact. I was with fam this Friday for a funeral that was delayed since April due to covid. We were just sitting around visiting afterwards and my sister's hubby from MN took a poll to see how many of us knew firsthand of someone with covid. Seven of us from 3 different states. Only my other sister could say they knew of one single person. Her friend's adult daughter who works at a hospital in the Detroit metro area. This gal's department was suddenly idled by the lockdown of non-essential business back in April so management moved her to work in the covid patient zone WITHOUT proper PPE. She contracted the virus but being younger did not suffer much worse than a typical bad flu case. I agree with the post that masking became a political "football". Confusing signals up front certainly didn't help things at all. As for being political in posts. Please tell me what major event affecting so many people in so many ways is free from politics. In my small town I can't leave snow on my walk beyond 24 hrs, nor allow my dog to poop outside my yard without cleaning it up. Certainly can't park dead vehicles on my property indefinitely. It's not the wild west. We're a society of "rules and reg's" like never before in history. We aren't bringing politics into covid. They were joined at the hip from day 1. With any threat to health and safety, everyone will assess it and draw their line of response in a different place along the spectrum. That's just the nature of human individualism not to mention this nation was founded on the principals of freedom of choice from dictatorial control. There are people willing to die to defend that still. They aren't "idiots" or "heartless" individuals. Putting the mandate of anything on a person in our country is just likely to rub a certain percentage of our population the wrong way. I don't have the answer to how you gain 100% compliance to a controversial demand on the individual in such a freedom loving society. I just don't see forcing it as realistic. At some point forcing will back-fire and you will have revolt on your hands. My wife leans towards masking as she is much more the compliant type, even tho she too questions the narrative of whether the risk warrants the first time in history response of restrictions. Hopefully we all get through this and can put this in the rear view mirror. It has been a good time to reflect on the bigger picture of life and how we respond to it's ups and downs as we go along the journey.

Thought my 83 here was nasty

I know you mean well, but where's the fun in the mushy middle? As long as we've been dealt this lousy hand we might as well play it for all it's worth. There's a lot of good banter here not only about the C-19 disaster, but other issues that are part of the bigger picture as well. Posts that are seen by some as antagonistic actually bring forth more discussion and sharing of knowledge. I will add this. I live next door to the Middle School and walking my pooch today noticed a "masks required" sign that had in bold font "ITS THE LAW". I thought "whoa, did we pass a law suddenly?" because the last I knew it was just the governor's most recent emergency order and not a law in the real sense of the term. I'll not mix words. I'm no fan of big gov nor government over-reach. So if the masking is not truly "the law" like wearing seatbelts (or not needing to wear a motorcycle helmet), that sign has me a bit concerned.

Duh. Who said I don't wear a mask? If you look far enough back in the thread made it clear I do wear a mask. But I don't wear one any longer than necessary to conduct close proximity business. That can have adverse side-effects. I wear it when appropriate and not a minute longer than necessary. The masks certainly work to stop moisture droplets/sneezes/cough projectiles that would contain the tiny virus particles. They are not an air-tight seal to the head though, so any normal exhaled air that goes out sideways could also contain the tiny virus particles. They help, but they don't guarantee a prevention of spread by an asymptomatic carrier to those around him/her. We'd all have to dress up in hazmat suits like that cartoon to truly be "safe" in the open marketplace.

Very nice business ideals. Sad that the larger the corp and richer the industry, the more corruption tends to happen. Wish it were otherwise.

A very good point I've always thought about as well. Unfortunately as you say, most businesses aren't any better than the average household at saving for that rainy day scenario. It's a cultural thing that flew the coup generations ago never to return. As for personal situations, many in #puremichigan were just digging out of the hole left in their finances and nest eggs from the banking fiasco of 2008. Now this, so I wouldn't expect much headway in the goal of that rainy day fund becoming the norm anytime soon. It just won't be possible no matter how much people may wish to do it.

I thought AZ was a massive breakout state? How can they be in the green "not rapidly spreading" category. Makes no sense.

Ford's "revolutionary plan" only worked out that way due to a new thing called mass-production assembly lines that produced cars cheap enough. The other thing going for him was the immense popularity and thus quantity demand for the product. The key to keeping the cars affordable was the volume. No way his plan to pay higher wages works if the volume wasn't there. I worked for Four Winns boats in Cadillac some years back, and trust me, nobody on that assembly line was paid well enough to easily afford even their lower-end sport boats, let alone the really low volume cabin cruisers or even the mid-sized cuddies.

Unless you're old or in a high risk group, maybe stop buying the fear narrative.

Down to 86F with cloud cover. Looks like I was "89'd" and I'm fine with it tbh. Heatwaves are just not my thing.

My post about the "dry heat 110F day" in TX deserves an asterisk next to it, lol. That summer was 5th hottest on record at the time (2010) and included a bunch of 100+ days including a 2-1/2 week stretch. 104 and 105F had been happening with regularity, so the additional 5 deg's that single day wasn't that much worse tbh. Sadly (and I'm glad I missed it) 2010 was just a rehearsal for the big-dog hotness that was 2011. Funny how this article from June of that year about the "great one" summer of 1980 heatwave quotes an old-timer saying "it won't likely ever be that hot again". Lol, then the very next summer gave 1980 a beat-down: https://www.star-telegram.com/entertainment/living/family/moms/article3825628.html

I'm "scarred for life" inside my ear canals from mega infections as a side effect of adult chicken pox. I was exposed at 19 when visiting my young nieces who were contagious. My mom had 7 of us kids and told the doctor she thought at one point or another, we'd all had the pox and built resistance. An honest mistake any one who's not perfect (i.e. human) could make. Am I to go after her for careless disregard of my well-being? I literally thought I was dying, and I was a strong guy in the peak of my youth. Sh*t happens as they say. The people that need to get over themselves are the ones that narcissistic-ally believe that life should be free of risks and everybody has to be looking out for their concerns, especially "big brother" government. Guess what? You are living in a fairy tale if you expect that's realistic. Happy for you that your pneumonia side-effects weren't permanent.

And this, anyone going into a hospital for another reason (any reason ofc) is getting tested, and if (+) they're chalked-up as a C-19 admitted case.

Covid topic in a wx forum? Seems even the wx is testing positive. Some covid stones from (where else?) China: