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A low pressure near Bluefield WV is a classic Ohio river to Columbus crush job. Instead the rain/snow line is over Findlay. It's a new world folks.

of course.... I knew any model showing anything substantial say south of I-30 was gonna be a head fake. Not to sound like a broken record but the teleconnections absolutely suck on every possible measure. In fact, even those north of i-80 should be counting their blessings if they are able to thread the needle and pull a snowstorm out of this garbage pattern....once again the lucky get luckier. I pretty much found my peace with all of this last week whent the epo went back positive for as far as the model goes out...that was the final blow. Now what I look forward to is that first 'smell' of spring and maybe a decent severe season.

Our turn tonight....could be our big dog of the season. NWS talking upwards of 2"!!!!!

i know....tongue was in cheek.

GW everything is shifting north. We're like Nashville now. Can't wait til Josh has to go through a 'columbus-esque' winter.... it's coming Josh...it's coming Hopefully it keeps up.... wouldn't mind a solid Atlanta-type winter pattern in the future...I'm getting too old for the cold

I'm dubbing it "Pondo's Caboose" I'm all in! ....oh wait

Good idea, I was gonna put my Enron stock in my safety deposit box so I'll just bring it along.

NAM is such a tease Granted half of that is freezing rain, but the other half is the 'caboose' system (as pondo called it).

When I was in junior/senior highschool we had a pond across the street. It was a rare winter that we didn't have at least a few week period of ice skating. Most of the time we also were able to sled down the hill and build ramps out of the snow to land on the ice. We would pour water on the banks of the sled run so it would freeze up like a luge shoot. Can't even imagine that scenario lately.

Whatever frozen can be scored with this current 'event'...and whoever scores better enjoy it and take lots of pics. raging +AO, +NAO, -PNA, the MJO cruising into the fabeled hell regions of 5 and 6, and to get one last kick in the sack (if that isn't enough), the epo that was recently showing a trend towards negative has flipped to going back positive. Winter is esentially over for most...not that it ever began for some of us. I don't care what fantasy snows the models show, if this crap holds /\ , it's game over. Of course there's always the chance for those nasty slop snows in early spring for those who like that kinda thing.

Remember in the olden days before winters became dumpster fires and we would salivate over a map like this, (988 low over the WV apps) .... sigh

Lol...im with ya buddy. I view any model showing significant snow for us with great skepticism. Teleconnections say no way. 47.5% chance a decent low pressure cuts and screws us. 47.5% chance its a sheared out wave with garbage precip....and 5% chance we thread the needle and get an event.

that makes more sense I guess they were just referring to January. Not that 6", (and we're not much more), is anything to crow about as we enter FEB.

they said, just a little more....you're almost there.....make it to January 20th and you'll cross into the promised land......

More salt in the wound: If cincy is at .6" so far for the season, they are tied with DC. Not the kind of clique you want to be in when it comes to snowfall.

Was just going to say....if I didn't know the weather forecast, I'd swear a clipper was incoming. The solid cloud deck and just the overall feel....with very light snow starting. Of course we all know the reality.

Wasn't it 3 or 4 years ago when we had the 9 incher winter? I never thought I'd see another single digit snow season..... but....

yea 4.9 for the whole winter . As pessimistic as I am about the rest of this winter I still think we scratch ourselves to double digits....it'll be DAB's and car toppers, and probably crap that occurs in early spring....but I'm sure we'll still get there in an ugly way.

Futility records are all we got. Amazing that we haven't had a single trackable event that we were all able to discuss in here. Granted we still have Feb, but if we go through Feb without a trackable event I can honestly say I don't recall that ever happening in my years of posting on these boards. Possibly '11-'12 but even that probably had some early action.

JB: I am convinced that the MJO and EPO control the pattern when they are amplified, The warm phase rotation of the MJO spawned the positive EPO which destroys NAMER cold. In spite of an undercutting trough in the means, the third in the series of underachieving troughs overall passes off the east coast this weekend, and not only does it produce almost nothing, but its followed by a blow torch The latest MJO forecast has the modeling sniffing warm phases if it gets into those favors, the EPO will likely shift back positive If that happens then I will throw in the towel, Most have, I will just be the last

that's crazy....in a NORMAL winter, beginning of February, that right there would be blizzard for Indy. Today JB actually said if the MJO forecast verifies, (taking it out of the COD into the 4.5.6 tour schedule again), he was going to 'throw in the towel" on winter. Exact words. I never heard him say such a thing. Usually he goes down kicking and screaming and making things up to spin something, anything, out of nothing. Even the great meterological illusionist himself, can't save the weenies this winter. On this one he's right. MJO and EPO still look horrible. Our, (meaning I-70 crew), only hope is a perfectly timed sag in the boundary with a low moving up from the southern plains. Everything would have to be perfect...timing...strength of low, etc. Too strong and it goes to Chicago, too weak and it's a strung out rainer.

Agree. Even the torchy winters of past at least had the torching. This has been never-ending stretches of damp, gray, cold....just not cold enough for snow. Throw in the perpetual mirage of a 10day snowstorm on the models and it's more salt in the wound. I feel bad for the businesses who hope, if not count on, snow removal work. Just horrible all around. #nightmare-winter

It's funny but snow somewhere else, (like when some people chase), does nothing for my weenie fix. If it's not in my back yard I don't care, unless I'm on ski trip or something.

Ensembles wrt to snow in the long range are laughable. The euro ens has frequently shown us in the 6-12" digital swath in the 10 -15 day period since December. Even if they were only 10% correct I'd be sitting at more than 20" for the season. On the bright side the epo looks to go slightly negative after the 5th.... but that's about all I can see on the good side. The AO is strongly positive as far as the eye can see and the MJO looks to exit the COD into 4 or 5 according to the euro. Obviously you guys have a much better chance of being on the good side of a boundary then we do. All in all still looks like a garabage pattern with scattered teases here and there. Probably get a really cold pattern just in time for spring fever....so what else is new.

Does November not count? Snowfall counts so temps should too. If so, I'll be surprised if Feb out does Nov in cold relative to averages.