Stebo

Maybe a model of how things would look if people didn't listen. Imagine if we had their percentages attached to our population.

Yeah I have noticed more traffic when going to work over the last week. I just hope this isn't us unclipping from our parachute 1000' above ground.

I mean Biden is on TV all the time, only so much he can do from home in that regard. I get your point though, but that comes with the territory of being president, Trump is seen more which mean his foibles will show up as easier.

Please don't take this politically, but I am curious what you would like for Biden to do. I have seen other people take issue with him, and I am just curious what he could be doing beyond what he is already doing.

People who aren't working are getting unemployment for the most part, and gas is super cheap this year. I could see there being a lot of camping going on once things open up.

A place like the UP probably should open up. I mean hell there is almost triple the number of people in my county than the entire UP. Social distancing is natural up there to begin with. I will say don't count out tourism just yet though, it is still early in the year and March/April tend to be down months in general up there between the snow season and the summer camping season.

It is impossible and with a deadly virus no less. This idea of herd immunity is a fallacy that will not work unless done naturally.

After the March we just had it is more like March 8753rd.

Camping/boating/golfing yes but still with social distancing. As for the spiking that is typical for a Tuesday as the weekend has been undercounted. What need to do is take Saturday to Tuesday and divide by 4 to get a more real estimate.

Yeah that would fall under those I would think open.

My thought is pulling back on some recreational things, with work opening up closer to May 15th or after Memorial Day.

Yep that is why we can't open everything up. The hospitals are near capacity right now and would be inundated if things just opened right back up.

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/florida-beach-reopen-coronavirus-mad-dash-075308141.html I wouldn't trust drone photos to be accurate. There were many beaches that had the same reaction yesterday.

It could be worse, we could live in Florida where an idiot is the governor there. How on earth do you open the beaches right now down there.

Toronto is one of the fastest growing metro areas over the last 20 years. I don't know what you are getting at with this but it couldn't be any further from the truth.

Lets say the death rate is 0.5% and everyone gets it in this country, that is still 1.5 million dead people. People grasp at percentages because it minimizes the problem.

Yes but the rate of being very sick isn't low and if this virus isn't treated as being very dangerous that number would skyrocket as would the death rate. Remember these numbers we have are with precautions in place, can you imagine what it would be like without them?

That's a good point too that nearly 700k people have been tested for it but what if I told you the actual number of cases was 10 or 20x that. Just look at the numbers coming off these Navy ships, that over 50% of the cases are asymptomatic. So you know there are millions in this country who may be infected and not even remotely realize it.

Until we have adequate testing so that thousands of people don't come into my terminal without knowing if they are sick or not. Unfortunately we have no idea when that date is.

Yeah some of the problems with these systems are really challenging but then again 7 weeks ago we didn't expect any of this to happen and the systems were not setup to handle no where near this kind of volume. I will say the states though have done a wonderful job adjusting on the fly compared to the federal government and its issues.

I get that too because we don't know where the end will be. But we are all in this together and some of us like myself are still out there keeping the world at least semi-moving. What we all don't want though is at the end of this to know a relative or friend who has perished.

Trust me I get people are restless, especially as the weather is improving, but this is being done so we don't end up with something like 1918. It is just rational to be safe vs sorry.

Exactly, we haven't gotten to the point where people can get a test on demand, how could we ever open things up when we can't test.

Bingo, if someone can't live off of 962 dollars a week in this state, I am sorry but you are living beyond your means and/or should have saved up your excess income. That projects out at 50k a year. Well above the poverty line, actually even well above the median income in this country.

The whole issue I don't get is yes people are out of work, why don't they take advantage of all the opportunities given to them. Unemployment is available to millions across the country, and yes it isn't perfect but it is available for a very large majority and with the additional 600 a week that is more than enough to survive this shutdown. It isn't permanent so make use of what is available. The negative consequences are no where near what the positives are, what happens if we let our guard down and let this virus run rampant, we have over 650k cases that we know of and over 30k people have died in the matter of 7 weeks, both of those numbers have shown no sign of slowing and this is with precautions in place.