Stebo

Toronto is one of the fastest growing metro areas over the last 20 years. I don't know what you are getting at with this but it couldn't be any further from the truth.

Lets say the death rate is 0.5% and everyone gets it in this country, that is still 1.5 million dead people. People grasp at percentages because it minimizes the problem.

Yes but the rate of being very sick isn't low and if this virus isn't treated as being very dangerous that number would skyrocket as would the death rate. Remember these numbers we have are with precautions in place, can you imagine what it would be like without them?

That's a good point too that nearly 700k people have been tested for it but what if I told you the actual number of cases was 10 or 20x that. Just look at the numbers coming off these Navy ships, that over 50% of the cases are asymptomatic. So you know there are millions in this country who may be infected and not even remotely realize it.

Until we have adequate testing so that thousands of people don't come into my terminal without knowing if they are sick or not. Unfortunately we have no idea when that date is.

Yeah some of the problems with these systems are really challenging but then again 7 weeks ago we didn't expect any of this to happen and the systems were not setup to handle no where near this kind of volume. I will say the states though have done a wonderful job adjusting on the fly compared to the federal government and its issues.

I get that too because we don't know where the end will be. But we are all in this together and some of us like myself are still out there keeping the world at least semi-moving. What we all don't want though is at the end of this to know a relative or friend who has perished.

Trust me I get people are restless, especially as the weather is improving, but this is being done so we don't end up with something like 1918. It is just rational to be safe vs sorry.

Exactly, we haven't gotten to the point where people can get a test on demand, how could we ever open things up when we can't test.

Bingo, if someone can't live off of 962 dollars a week in this state, I am sorry but you are living beyond your means and/or should have saved up your excess income. That projects out at 50k a year. Well above the poverty line, actually even well above the median income in this country.

The whole issue I don't get is yes people are out of work, why don't they take advantage of all the opportunities given to them. Unemployment is available to millions across the country, and yes it isn't perfect but it is available for a very large majority and with the additional 600 a week that is more than enough to survive this shutdown. It isn't permanent so make use of what is available. The negative consequences are no where near what the positives are, what happens if we let our guard down and let this virus run rampant, we have over 650k cases that we know of and over 30k people have died in the matter of 7 weeks, both of those numbers have shown no sign of slowing and this is with precautions in place.

Yeah and that was thousands of people.

Their "choices" blocked an ambulance route to a hospital. I don't want to hear about choices of a very small minority of people who look to have been against the Governor no matter what she did. If these people want all this ultimate freedom to do whatever they want there are 9 states for idiots who have done nothing yet. One of those states SD, because they have done nothing have a massive outbreak at a meat plant. So I don't want to hear about choices of people who are clearly not caring about anyone but themselves.

That protest in Lansing was so fruitful. Idiots

I am not salaried and most people have the ability to be on unemployment right now. If this is ongoing 6 months from now then we can have the discussion again then. Right now though everyone that can be on unemployment should be.

Stop thinking about money over lives, this isn't that hard. We have over 30k people dead in this country in a month and a half with many actions done to prevent the spread, what do you think would happen if none of those actions happened? You could easily take that number and triple it or even more.

The gardening thing doesn't make sense but the construction and paint does. Those are two groups who buy masks at high quantity, we are already limited as it is, if you put all those crews out there we would not have masks for the general public. This is a temporary thing. As for the auto industry, I disagree, they have a 4 week shut down in summer every year and that doesn't gut them. Plus those factories hold thousands of people, I wouldn't want this to run rampant through them.

I don't disagree there that things should be communicated better. Some may not be able to parse why they need to be open.

I and many in this state disagree, yes there have been a few missteps as noted with the gardening aspect for example but this is an unguided time and she like others is doing the best that she can. I would rather err on the side of caution than not. Should lottery go to online only, yes. Should marijuana/liquor stores close, no because that could potentially lead to other issues and rehab facilities are not available should things get worse. It is easy to say "hey don't drink" to an addict but until you walk in those shoes you don't know and there is very limited resources for addiction right now. No this isn't meant to enable but I could it being worse if alcohol sales were eliminated. As for marijuana, there is medicinal purposes to it and in a highly stressed environment, if someone wants to smoke to calm themselves as long as it is legal I see no issue there.

Yeah not to be political but what he says is only causing more harm than good. He'd be better off having the doctors and Pence talk but ego gets in the way.

Look I get it but you are talking about a very specific scenario in the grand scheme of things and honestly having construction work slow down is good because it allows for the n95 masks to be available. Most construction workers use them as well, same with painters, drywallers, etc.

If you can't understand why keeping the government running I don't know what to say. As for your neighbor I hope he has filed for unemployment like everyone else that is laid off and that supplements his income lost until things reopen some time next month. Most press conferences people have been apart at least at the state/city levels. National level is pretty obvious why that is that case.

Yeah and if you clean your groceries (what a saying to say), then you should be fine. I am just worried about being in the store with a lot of people and people tend to pick stuff up and put it back on shelves which concerns me as well.

Both of those I would adjust or eliminate, you are expecting it to be perfect, politics is far from it but don't let perfect be the enemy of better. This is unprecedented shit and outside of a few things she had done as good of job as many other governors in this country.

Actually reading more into the seed ban, if it is completely universal state wide, that is kind of stupid. A lot of people I know who start from seed growing do so this time of year. I will say the greenhouses should be fine for buying plants in May, minimal grow time will be lost in that case.