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Thanks - I qualified my timeframe for the 12" forecast point to 1980-1993 because of 1978 - as I recall anecdotally that one caught LI by surprise to some degree too tho right? I just remember from what my father said after coming home after being snowbound in NYC. Were some models were calling for it but the forecasts on TV/radio were lower than that? For 1980-1993 do I have that right?
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Amen. The total number of snowfalls greater than 10 inches between the early 70s and 1995 here was well under 10 total. As you say, a 3-6 forecast was a big deal. 6-12 was downright giddiness to a kid, and other than 1993 I don't think I ever saw a 12+" forecast map between 1980 and 1993. The Blizzard of '83 of course ended up well over that, but I don't think the forecasts ever caught up, and 1993 did have such maps, but that turned to rain too soon for most of LI. Contrast with the 2000-2018 period where over 2/3rd of the years had a 10" storm.
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I disagree. If I have $2.30 and my buddy in Boston has $7.90, it doesn't matter to me that he's supposed to have $19.30 - he still has more money than me. Sure, I can laugh at him about that, but he can still buy a #7 meal at McDonald's while all I can get is a Diet Coke.
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I think part of that is just the fact that it is the coast, and just the way it goes sometimes around here. It also seems like this winter isn't so atrocious so far once you get away from the immediate coast. The talk here has been so doom and gloom generally (edit: among the amateur / snow fan crowd like myself), that looking at the totals posted above, I was actually surprised to see how many within this forum's 'viewing area' are near or well over a foot. Just asking aloud here, Is that map so far off from norms for January 21st, again, just away from the coast? Even right at the coast, what's normal for this point in the season? Can't be more than 6-8" at best.
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More irritating about the weather here is how many nice Spring days get ruined. Can't count how many times I'd leave the office under a beautiful blue sky and high 60s, head down the Wantagh, seeing what looked like smoke in the distance, and be in damp and misty mid 50s by the time I was home. Thinking back, afternoon baseball practice was always tough as a kid here. The evenings from mid June to early August can be awesome though.
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Thanks, this is great. And that's absolutely right about the snow sticking around. We've had storms during the great run since 2000 in which 15" fell in the dead of winter that were totally gone so quickly that it was almost not to be believed. Yet back then a 5 inch snowfall would mess up my Newsday delivery work for weeks. It's not surprising but still noteworthy how Syosset's numbers look as compared to say at the other end of 135. Those numbers, especially from 80/81 - 84/85, average about 5" higher than what I usually see for LI. And you definitely know better than me that good as those numbers are, the sweet spot for LI a good 25 miles east of there are even better, right? The gradient between, say, Amityville and Stony Brook is significant.
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Whoever said earlier that at least in the 80s you could count on at least a few 4-6” events each year, I agree. In grade school we seemed to get precisely one snow day a year from them. Seemed like the very clippers that for the last two decades mean white rain around here were our go-to for a few 4-6 inchers a year back the . Everyone who was around back then remembers ‘Alberta Clipper’ right? That’s what almost all of them seemed to be.
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I was surprised at what LongBeach posted, so maybe what you say above explains it. I was just north of Sunrise and I remember driving into work hear Pat Pagano (who is still on the air btw, comfy as a winter fireplace) warning that temps were being very stubborn to get above freezing for that memorable storm. To my knowledge we never did get above freezing, or did so very late after being back home for the day. Granted, stumbling across wunderground almanac recently I realized that I've blocked out some of the albeit brief milder stretches of that winter, but still, from that locale, when I think of 93/94, I think snow, cold, ice, and sidestreets snowpacked for longer than I've seen before or since. I think of the best snow-on-snow I've ever seen, three days apart on a Tuesday and Friday in Feb, etc.
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It's just a matter of judgement. Folks here aren't making the 'Hey our parents smoked in the car and we didn't wear seatbelts. I love the good old days, why can't it still be that way' argument - that's a dumb argument. I think folks are just saying that the judgement these days seems to err too hard on the side of caution. Additionally - and I know this point has been made at some point here - if there's genuine concern about safety, then close the schools, don't have the dopey 2 hour delay, which just causes problems for everyone involved.
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I just checked the temperature from the reporting station at Hell Airport (KHLL.) It's below freezing.
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Is that anything new? I know nothing about the inner workings of these models, but generally, aren’t models often driven by the same statistical formulas which drive AI? I always assumed that was the case. Maybe it’s a marketing thing, calling it AI now?
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On the coast, this far out, history says that if the R word is being uttered at all, that's big trouble. 5 days out we want to be debating coastal special vs. fish storm, not mix vs. snow. While there have been a noteworthy few which trended the other way, even among those rare cases, the forecasts, for coastal folks, almost always trended from snow to nothing, not from 'wintry mix' to snow. I'm gonna try my best to keep my expectations low on this one til Monday. Good luck to me with that.
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Two Mdt to high impact events NYC subforum; wknd Jan 6-7 Incl OBS, and mid week Jan 9-10 (incl OBS). Total water equiv by 00z/11 general 2", possibly 6" includes snow-ice mainly interior. RVR flood potential increases Jan 10 and beyond. Damaging wind.
coastalplainsnowman replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
I wonder how often LI has had more rainfall in inches than snowfall in inches in a given winter. Last year for sure. Just like with thunderstorms, the real wind action was before that line came thru, and that's accounting for radar lag. I always assumed that was typical given that it always seems to be the case, for me anyway.- 3,610 replies
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Two Mdt to high impact events NYC subforum; wknd Jan 6-7 Incl OBS, and mid week Jan 9-10 (incl OBS). Total water equiv by 00z/11 general 2", possibly 6" includes snow-ice mainly interior. RVR flood potential increases Jan 10 and beyond. Damaging wind.
coastalplainsnowman replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
This has the same vibe as me being ok with a Jets loss because we'll get a better draft pick. Ah, to be a Jets fan and a snow fan living on Long Island in 2022/2023/2024. Great times..- 3,610 replies
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