coastalplainsnowman

Starting to think that there really is something to the idea that people forget how to drive in wintry conditions when they don't happen for awhile. For a few hours today driving was a little rough, but nothing we haven't seen 50 times in the last 20 years. Still people were driving like idiots today. Spinouts up and down Wantagh Parkway. The last time we had anything rough on driving must have been in the 17/18 season.

A big volcanic eruption but not a giant meteor? Nevermind now we're being ridiculous lol. The wives of the posters here should probably form a support group. Heck maybe that should be a forum on here where they could vent. I bet that would be a hilarious read.

I sadly was around for them too, and I"m starting to sound like my father too. My father (maybe yours too) had the late 50s/60s as his frame of reference though, so for me growing up in the 80s, when he would blah-blah every storm except specifically the blizzard of 83, in hindsight I can understand why. I'd never trade the ~2002-2018 run, but it spoiled us. 3-6 used to be cool, and 6-12 felt like once in a blue moon, which it was. 12-18 is the new 3-6. Kind of like as a Yankees or Giants fan anything short of a world series is a disappointment, vs a Mets or Jets fan who is happy to get anything. The other thing that ruins everything is being able to see out 14+ days, which unless one lives in the arctic is going to include some warmup. It's led to 'sure it's going to snow 4" and we'll have some nice crisp cold below normal weather this fine Christmas time week, but it's going to warm up in 14 days around Christmas so what's the point of it all anyway???' Or being in the midst of a blizzard and hearing 'yeah but look out for that torch in 9 days.'

Anyone post about the Christmas Day afternoon 2002 rain to heavy pasting 6-8''+ snow event? At least that was the timing on LI. What a great event. That stands out for me as one of at most a handful of times that a rain storm actually flipped to significant snow on the backend, despite being held out as a possibility dozens of times before and since. That snow was flying horizontal and put a more than just a coating on street signs fences and everything else. Next morning (26th) reminded me of Christmas morning in 'A Christmas Story.'

On vacation with some leisure time to scroll through the channels. Stopped at TWC's AMHQ. Listening to the hosts talk about travel conditions across the country, region by region, for minutes on end, reminds me of a kid stretching 50 words of content into a 250 word essay.

I have family up in NWNJ who probably get similar snowfall outcomes to you on storms that get too close for comfort..During that 80s early 90s stretch as kids I always knew that every big winter storm would bring them tons of fun and snow and sleet to rain and school for me. Wow did I hate that.

Sign of the times emerging from the snow drought of the 80s, I remember WINS talking about this storm days out saying that a FOOT could fall. As we know, N&W were crushed, and LI was changed over just as it was getting fun, even as Al Roker then on local NBC still had maps up talking about feet of snow for most - I'll never forget that. But thinking back at the way everyone was talking about a FOOT as if a FOOT was cataclysmic reflected the lack of real snow for the better part of the decade leading up to it. It's been a little while since our great run of blizzards here, but when I hear a foot now I still think 'ho-hum, not impressed', whereas in the late 80s seeing LI painted in 3-6 felt like Christmas eve.

93-94 was awesome for many reasons. First, the cold and the snowpack. Snowcover seemed to last forever that year. As you said, there was a winter event or two every week. One week in February we were in the middle of an 8 inch storm on a Tuesday while the radio was talking about another one coming that Friday. Fresh snowpack on top of frozen old snowpack. Cold as far as the eye could see on the long range forecasts on TV. Colleges on LI that hadn't cancelled a day in 18 years cancelling school. And this wasn't in the middle of a run of snowy winters. The big storm of any consequence was 11 years prior (Blizzard of 93 was a changeover event for most of us on LI), and during a time where I believe only one or two 10" storms had occurred in the previous decade. To me not 95/96 with its crazy snow totals on LI and snowfalls into April, nor any of the winters with seemingly annual record breaking blizzards top 93/94, which felt arctic for months on end.

It's as if there's an inverse relationship between November temperatures compared to December temperatures over the past 25 years, especially considering that two noteworthy cold Dec/January winters (93/94 and 2010/2011) aren't listed and therefore apparently did not have cold Novembers.

CPC's monthly outlooks as far as the eye can see are depressing, temperature wise, for the northeast. Weather.com headlines have below for overall Oct-Dec 2019 (albeit month by month Dec is above normal.) These opposite views I assume mean that there's big disagreement among the trusted models, even just a few weeks out from the start of this timeframe?

Looking at the latest cone for Dorian, wondering if anyone is thinking it may come up this way. Day 5 has it about 50 miles off the NC/SC coast. As I always preface everything I ask here, just an enthusiast/hobbyist, but we've seen this before, right? Thinking that day 5 looks Gloria-ish?

I know someone in West Bab with all sorts of tree damage and heavy heavy tables tossed around. Think you might have had a small brief tornado there?

Based on those radars I jackpotted. I thought I was going to lose my trees. Then my next thought was to check out americanwx.com.

For Nassau/Suffolk, TWC has practically 0 for LI other than <1 in northern third of Nassau, with a sliver of 1-3 right along the north shore.

Is the cold end of November / start of December still expected? I'm not seeing BN temps in the forecasts that joe sixpacks like me look at (CPC 8-14 day, accuweather, etc.) I know, inadviseable, but if there was consensus am thinking it would show up there too. Is the consensus back to expecting the usual slightly to moderately AN for the foreseeable future again? Looking at long range commercial forecasts (I know, I know) they've been promising BN three weeks out for the last month or so.

Just curious for anyone who might know - the repeated references to 'city smoke' are interesting. Is that what we now would call smog? How would that be recorded today?

Agreed. Been to Ohio now and then, and in late June at 9:40 PM I'd say the sky looks like it does here at 8:50 PM. Haven't been there in early January, but it must be tough getting out of bed there before 8.

Watching TWC just now, Paul Goodloe and another on air person I don't recognize are doing a segment called 'car wash', apparently talking about whether the weather in select cities is good for car washing. The song 'Car Wash' is playing, and they are both dancing while doing the segment. It was probably only three minutes, but felt like 3 hours. I'm sure that if either is a meteorologist, they were thinking 'this is not what I had in mind.'