LOL, thanks paweather. That is like saying the number 5 is not the right answer to the equation 3 + 3 when the other multiple choice possibilities are : 7, 8 and 9. Outside 3-5 days, it's very rare that anything is right. It was just 24 hours ago the CMC was rounding 3rd after hitting another HR with it's apparently superior temp forecasting skills. Just picking the top 3 Globals I have access to, the 12Z Wed Runs of the Euro and GFS had @Itstrainingtime set for a low in the low 20's Friday AM. The CMC had mid teens. It never hurts to have some actual verifications sometimes.